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Bug I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

We should rebel sometime soon. We actually should. I don't know what month and day to do it. Like a walk out or something. Opinions?

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

Not the first time I've heard this.

Open rebellion, in a nutshell, does not promote our cause and, in the long run, will only inspire legislation or bureaucracy dedicated to suppressing the rights of students further. To add credibility to our movement, we need to gain the trust of the people instead.

Does this make sense?

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

Yes it does. But how do we teenagers who supposedly "lie all of the time" in the eyes of adults gain the trust of the people?

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

We don't have to collectively tell the public what we want. Instead, we network.

Our ideas are being shared, as we speak, throughout the Internet. More people are reading what we have to say, and some are writing about it. Eventually our society will adapt these ideas into the public consciousness, and by power of suggestion, people will propose changes to the school system.

The problem is, at the rate we're going, things aren't getting done fast enough, and there's no guarantee that people understand and even less of a guarantee that they agree.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

In general, a rebellion of sorts isn't really a good idea and might not even be effective anyway. In fact, if this is violent, it might be counterproductive.

I think simply making the cause more popular will win in the end. At this point, we really need to step up our game with the site and all that. Soul has gotten DSL now, so she may update the homepage and forums soon enough.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

Yes to DoA and Hans. We already went through a 'RISE UP AND FIGHT!' phase as a site(corny stories and all), and while I can't blame others for feeling the same, it won't work.

Networking, talking with adults (especially educators and administrators, policymakers, and mental health professionals, first to get them to see our points and the facts and then to discuss the matters in detail), sharing our stories, spreading the message and talking about what to do about it all will help our movement gain acceptance. We're far from the only group of people who are disdainful of the current state of public education. We just need to connect and grow. Violence has its uses, but not in this case. xcriteria will inevitably post in this thread, and he can expound on our replies.

I suppose a formal protest, at the right time, could be effective. Police sure like to arrest protesters though, and what if some of the arrested include teenagers? What will the suburban, middle-class mothers of those teenagers think when they realize their prodigys' clean records are soiled because they wanted to change society for the better? How the Hell will they get into Yale then?! Besides not going to Yale and telling their parents about how shit the situation really is (which includes college to an extent), that is. Basically, it'll be even riskier for legal minors to actively protest.

I wonder what Rebelnerd is doing.
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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

While I have wanted to protest, I have seen that they are ineffective espcially for teens, who are still 'tied' to their parents. There was a nice little rebellion going on in a school a few friends were apart of (and some of whom participated), however it fell apart, I believe due to the intervention of parents. Rebellion is not going to work sadly, at least not know.

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(03-15-2014 12:36 PM)Trar Wrote:  I wonder what Rebelnerd is doing.

Last post he made, he was apparently in the People's Republic of China for reasons yet to be fully explained.

For some funny (both odd and har har) reason I have a feeling I'm going to end up in some foreign country myself.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

Anyone looked at the main site lately? Look at that pretty menu! Nutter

http://www.school-survival.net/

So yeah, I'm doing stuff... slowly. Got a long list of things that need doing to the site to make it more "poooopuuular".

Come on the chat sometime, jim. We talk about things that can be done pretty often in there.

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RE: I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

G+ share of this thread: link. Check it out, leave a comment, and let's take steps to further connecting with people who are already in the G+ community, on G+, and beyond.

Real-time conversion, like through chat and Google Hangouts is one step to take... including with potential allies.

I also think sharing our stories in places like the Learning Creative Learning 2 forums could go a long way toward gaining awareness and respect from educators... some of which might be open to taking more steps to support our cause. Among other things, MIT tends to be associated with credibility, particularly their Media Lab.

My SS thread with links to the course page and forums, as well as a key hangout they did last year:

Learning Creative Learning 2 (LCL2) - MIT open course

(The course starts in three days, but the forums are open now.)

I've also set up a prototype site and forum to bridge conversations with others, including parents. It's got a ways to go, but I'm looking to collaborate on improving it. If you haven't seen it, PM me or ask in chat.

And, of course, SoulRisers pending changes to School Survival are likely to get more people staying here, and perhaps make it easy to introduce SS to friends and others.

One more key step

I encourage everyone to write up your story, including your current scenarios, past situations, interests and plans for the future. Why is school not a good fit for you? How do your parents view school? How would you like education and educators to help you learn, grow, and accomplish your goals?

Many of you have written parts of these things on the forums, but having a story in more polished form for sharing elsewhere could help us more quickly introduce what we're talking about to others.

I'll work on this, as well.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

When was Rebelnerd last around? I'd like to see what he thinks of what we've done with the place.

And xcriteria that's a good idea regarding stories. Maybe I'll get around to mine on Screenstorming. And I've mentioned how I plan to invite others later on.
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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

Last he visited was 3-21-2012, so not in a while.

It's possible he might've changed his views though since. I actually e-mailed him but he hasn't responded. Hmm.

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(03-15-2014 06:41 AM)DoA Wrote:  We don't have to collectively tell the public what we want. Instead, we network.

Our ideas are being shared, as we speak, throughout the Internet. More people are reading what we have to say, and some are writing about it. Eventually our society will adapt these ideas into the public consciousness, and by power of suggestion, people will propose changes to the school system.

The problem is, at the rate we're going, things aren't getting done fast enough, and there's no guarantee that people understand and even less of a guarantee that they agree.

i post comments and chat messages spreading awareness across the internet. Hopefully, people will eventually brighten up and support this cause. Online, people don't immediately check our age, so we could be quite credible. So I'm guessing a rebellion isn't the way to do it until we get the public, little by little, on our side.

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(06-04-2014 12:53 PM)insanity_wolf33 Wrote:  
(03-15-2014 06:41 AM)DoA Wrote:  We don't have to collectively tell the public what we want. Instead, we network.

Our ideas are being shared, as we speak, throughout the Internet. More people are reading what we have to say, and some are writing about it. Eventually our society will adapt these ideas into the public consciousness, and by power of suggestion, people will propose changes to the school system.

The problem is, at the rate we're going, things aren't getting done fast enough, and there's no guarantee that people understand and even less of a guarantee that they agree.

i post comments and chat messages spreading awareness across the internet. Hopefully, people will eventually brighten up and support this cause. Online, people don't immediately check our age, so we could be quite credible. So I'm guessing a rebellion isn't the way to do it until we get the public, little by little, on our side.

Agreed, and thank you for sharing - this could use additional discussion.

Various anti-school (and I use the term to mean the current, ineffective system, not the concept in general) groups are starting to find each other through Google+. More people are reading my anti-school blog. And finally, I myself have introduced anti-school sentiments to various unrelated online communities in a way that flows into conversation.

Through networking, we are making people think more about this moral issue. We're closer to a breakthrough than ever.

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I agree that school should be dealt with but unless millions more agree I'm cynical on the fact that this may ever happen.
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Me too Cianna200
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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

Give me a few months, I'm building an arsenal.(Ok ok...they're all on paper, as possible rough designs lacking detail and specifics. BUT I SHALL PREVAIL. I just don't have a garage, or the tools, or enough money, and possibility the expertise.)

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(06-04-2014 12:53 PM)insanity_wolf33 Wrote:  
(03-15-2014 06:41 AM)DoA Wrote:  We don't have to collectively tell the public what we want. Instead, we network.

Our ideas are being shared, as we speak, throughout the Internet. More people are reading what we have to say, and some are writing about it. Eventually our society will adapt these ideas into the public consciousness, and by power of suggestion, people will propose changes to the school system.

The problem is, at the rate we're going, things aren't getting done fast enough, and there's no guarantee that people understand and even less of a guarantee that they agree.

i post comments and chat messages spreading awareness across the internet. Hopefully, people will eventually brighten up and support this cause. Online, people don't immediately check our age, so we could be quite credible. So I'm guessing a rebellion isn't the way to do it until we get the public, little by little, on our side.

Chat messages and comments alone won't promote the cause credibly.

And whilst people won't automatically check the age, they will assume. When I first showed this site to elders, they assumed it was made by people who were 12 years old and merely annoyed at large amounts of homework, though when I asked them they said they did believe education could improve.

And a rebellion is still not the way to do it. It makes us appear as radical anarchists, even if some of us are. I believe representatives in legislative assemblies will work best in the case of a lot of countries; reformists as mayors, Congressmen etc.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

simply walking out of schools would indeed do wonders.

what i believe that people dont get is that authority lies where people think it lies. the schools have no authority if the students dont want them to and if you dont want to be subjected to the mind destroying school system, the schools can do nothing but hopelessly watch as their students simply leave.

a few people doing this would likely have no impact. a great mass of students doing such a thing would cause this system to collapse.
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No great mass of students will ever do that.

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(06-13-2014 10:19 AM)W Kuts Wrote:  No great mass of students will ever do that.

mass student walk outs and protests have happened in history and i am talking about millions of students.

there is no reason why it couldnt happen, but for some reason, it doesnt seem likely.
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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

The majority of actions by students have been at the university level where people go to school voluntarily, and most high school walkouts have been isolated incidents. High schoolers are largely apathetic and just want to graduate.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

One key path to change, where possible: get parents onboard.

Then, you can literally walk out of the whole system if you choose to.

The question is, what to do next.

Even if you're in school, you can make the most of whatever time you do have control over, to learn, connect, create, get feedback, and in general co-author your life story, rather than just letting the time fly by, or trying to "kill" time.

But, this thread is about change, so let's focus on that.

There are already quite a few teachers, parents, and others out there who would also like to either change how their school works, or walk away and help people learn in a more learner-centric way. The problem is, teachers tend to depend on schools-as-they-are for their paychecks, and parents tend to depend on schools for their "my kid is going to be okay" feelings.

But, there are also many examples out there of people doing education differently, and talk about "the system" tends to miss that reality.

If we get more parents on board, there are all kinds of things we can do.

So, how can we get in dialogue with parents?

I think in many cases, parents will only accept an educational model that involves some experienced adults who can design experiences, provide feedback, and give the parents some indication real learning is happening.

But, there are so many ways we could do that.

My idea: let's get in dialogue over the summer and make it happen for some people, somewhere. Let's end the summer with at least a handful of success stories, where people went from "gotta go back in the fall" to "I got to choose an alternative path."

Who's on board with helping to make that happen?

We have so many allies... more of us need to get in dialogue with them.

I can share the stories and scenarios people post about on School Survival with others, but if more people from here can represent themselves directly, I think it'll go a long way.

And, we need to go beyond dialogue among the many people who already agree education needs to change, and bring others into these conversations... like parents.

That means producing content, interactions, and experiences they can fit into their lives, attention spans, and worldviews.

Remember, education is already completely transformed for some, while others are serving out sentences as prisoners of the past.

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And it's not just teachers...

And others don't even have access to education, beyond what their family or village might be able to provide. But that's changing, too, as the planet gets more connected.

Many embroiled in schools-of-the-past have more time over the summer. Let's leverage all that time, and make the days count.

That's what Summer of Connected Learning is about. Please, if you want to transform education, join, engage, ask questions, share your stories, and think about how to get your parents and others in your life involved in these conversations.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

And, here's a handy index to some related threads:

Related threads on transforming education:

Possible Student Revolution by Metabytes

How Do We Change the School System? by Sub

Maybe We Should Start Something by Sub

"Accept it" by Hansgrohe

You can't change anything by W Kuts

Attention: Fellow Anti-Schoolers by DoA

Ideas for an Anti-school web series or documentary by Cereal-Killer

Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide by Trar

Related threads with links to external resources:

Who or What Broke My Kids?, a 5th grade teacher demands to know why her students have lost their inquisitive nature)

Enough Is Enough: Why I Withdrew My Daughter From Public School (One parents' story of realizing school wasn't working. These stories happen more than you'd think.)

Connected Learning Infographic ("There is wide agreement that we need new models of education")

And my thread about #clsummer14

Summer of Connected Learning by xcriteria

How many of those threads and articles have you read? If you have read them, or choose to do so... what do you think?

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RE: I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

(03-15-2014 12:36 PM)Trar Wrote:  Yes to DoA and Hans. We already went through a 'RISE UP AND FIGHT!' phase as a site(corny stories and all), and while I can't blame others for feeling the same, it won't work.

Networking, talking with adults (especially educators and administrators, policymakers, and mental health professionals, first to get them to see our points and the facts and then to discuss the matters in detail), sharing our stories, spreading the message and talking about what to do about it all will help our movement gain acceptance. We're far from the only group of people who are disdainful of the current state of public education. We just need to connect and grow. Violence has its uses, but not in this case.


Agreed..but there are some people who just don't get it. They refuse to see our point and blind themselves with the belief that a developing brain equals a non-existent or dysfunctional one..There are going to be teenagers who people will use to make their case that we can't think for ourselves, or that stupid "this is a phase" outlook. These people are deluding themselves..and also stupid teens all over the world who make the rest of us look bad. What I'm trying to say is that the intelligent are a minority, specially in the teens. I suppose I'm not optimistic about this. What we could do is appeal for stricter definitions and laws against abuse specifically and try to make other alternatives to school more popular- I don't see the laws making school compulsory being overturned, to be honest, and trying to make school more fun seems useless, because the entire model is structured around the fact that it is not fun.

Making things better for those under the age limit seems the way to go, rather than fighting outright. Again, there are people who'll stay in school just because they have no idea what else to do.Noo There should be a choice, such as "Like school? Stay there. Don't like it? Get out!"

Quote:I suppose a formal protest, at the right time, could be effective. Police sure like to arrest protesters though, and what if some of the arrested include teenagers? What will the suburban, middle-class mothers of those teenagers think when they realize their prodigys' clean records are soiled because they wanted to change society for the better? How the Hell will they get into Yale then?! Besides not going to Yale and telling their parents about how shit the situation really is (which includes college to an extent), that is. Basically, it'll be even riskier for legal minors to actively protest.

That's my point #2 right there Smile Those of us who are adults should find ways to make things better for them.

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I think it's time for us to do something about the school system.

I feel rebellion similar to that of when Martin Luther King Jr was rallying for equal rights for everyone would be just fine. Non-violent protesting makes it much more likely for us to get our point across without striking fear into the civilian population.

The only time I would see violent protesting as an answer is, in my opinion, if the government or police tried to get involved and forcefully threaten us with guns in hands. Especially if we were unarmed and they fired upon us. Then, the violence would start, as they threw the first stone. That's when I would advocate violence on any level, but NEVER to the civilians that are innocent of the crimes of the government.

The old saying goes that history repeats itself. Well, I do see a revolution coming again, or a civil war. And, if enough people join the bandwagon through the Streisand Effect we will have on impacting the internet, I could see this vision becoming reality.

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