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Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide

Everyone who's Googled 'school survival' because they're too lazy/busy to click a bookmark, type in the URL or go through their history has seen this in the results. But is it any good? I'm curious.
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It was a teen live action sitcom that used to air on Nickelodeon. I was never interested in it and was more of a satirization of "teenage life" than a serious show. I found a list of tips:
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RE: Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide

I loved when I was a kid. Rewatched it in 8th grade, and was convinced it was government propaganda so kids would not question the school system. My conspiracy theorist days were dark times... But they get me here, so...
Anyway, I don't think I would enjoy it now, even though I'm not insane. But it is a great symbol for my childhood.

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A lot of it does sound like whitewashed propaganda. Barely any of it sounds useful when actually surviving prison.

I wonder if in the near future there will be a gritty reboot of it, but instead of it being satire, it's a serious drama about being in an authoritarian hellhole of a school, with useful survival tips. That'd cause a shitload of controversy.

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RE: Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide

Most of the advice was "Deal with it, shithead. And SCHOOL WOO!" So yeah. But, I can tell that the people were honestly trying to help kids be good in school. Not brainwash them.

A anti-school Ned's Declassified? SOMEONE GET ON THAT SHIT.

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I used to watch it long ago when we had cable tv. It was on Nick?

Who you calling lazy you bum? Sure I dont remember the last time I got to this site with google searching it...

Its a typical young teen show. Its like all the stuff disney has show wise, totally invalidating reality...

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That list looks like it was written more by teachers/admins. Razz
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Yes, we need a series that addresses all the themes we talk about here.

This is something I've long wanted to do, and I think it's time to make it happen.

One format I've been pitching to people and working on is a reality/documentary-style series. It could even include fictional scenes as a show within a show.

But, I think what's needed is more than just a series, but a transmedia platform that combines things like forum posts, Hangouts-on-Air, and the like. Something that allows the audience to engage and help co-create the storylines and content that are made part of the more "published" parts of the transmedia platform.

This is a new trend in entertainment... a hybrid of crowdsourcing and professional production to make a sort of interactive storyworld. Why not blend that with the format of reality, people's real lives and situations... and helping transform them?

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And there are lots more clips showing how people are transforming storytelling at Future of Storytelling (FoST) list of clips (not to be confused with the MOOC in my signature, also called the Future of Storytelling.)

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I'd actually love to see some sort of mini-series which is based on the stuff we talk here as well. The only problems I see are:
*Who is going to support us?
*Where will we get any funding?
*Who will act with us?

It should be noted that it isn't impossible to be cheap and make a great series. For example, the infamous school-shooter movie Zero Day was made back in 2001-03 (back when the Internet was starting to evolve) on a budget of 23,000 dollars, yet it's nonetheless quite impressive how well the movie turned out, considering how bad low-budget films are.

That's an interesting case: what do we need? I don't think we need super-famous actors or even D-list ones. As Zero Day proved, even normal people can be actors (and that's part of the reason I think that movie was actually well received despite the low profit, it was normal people and their normal lives) under the right circumstances.

Interesting idea, xcriteria. Interesting.

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I'd love it to be kinda like MyMusic. It's basically a youtube sitcom about a music company. What makes it stand out is that the story is that you can interact with the characters. They all have various social networks, they respond to comments, they have different shows throughout the week, etc. Basically, it's the first step to what xcritieria is talking about. The storyline is set in stone, but the actors are all in character and you can interact with them.

What about people on here? I've dabbled in acting before. I'm usually better at improv, and I'm very rusty at that. And I'm a good writer. Maybe I can help. I would like to do it as like a dark comedy sort of a thing, rather than a drama. I have no idea how it would get funded, though. Kickstarter or Indiegogo?

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I'd like to see a crowd-supported school series. Ideally we could get normal students to do the acting if it's scripted(or has separate scripted scenes), but if it's a documentary-style thing that would be easier. I think I'd like to try and give acting for this a shot if I could. I still think an old-fashioned cash investment would be a good solid foundation for funding, but it would have to come with no strings attached.

Also your YouTube link is broken xcriteria.
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Personally I'd prefer the series to be in a "amateur camera" type of style, like Zero Day. I think the reason that movie was actually pretty good was because of that. I mean, it felt as if they were real people. It showed their daily lives, etc. It kinda felt that you were in it. The characters didn't feel scripted, they felt like real people.

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(12-10-2013 07:15 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  I'd actually love to see some sort of mini-series which is based on the stuff we talk here as well. The only problems I see are:
*Who is going to support us?
*Where will we get any funding?
*Who will act with us?

I've found some people who are likely to help us over the past couple years.

Funding is a bigger challenge, but there are ways to pull that off.

The question of who wants to appear on camera is more complex, particularly among introvert-intuitives and all that (which many of us tend to be) -- but I'm up for it, and if others are as well, let's make it happen.

(12-10-2013 07:15 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  It should be noted that it isn't impossible to be cheap and make a great series. For example, the infamous school-shooter movie Zero Day was made back in 2001-03 (back when the Internet was starting to evolve) on a budget of 23,000 dollars, yet it's nonetheless quite impressive how well the movie turned out, considering how bad low-budget films are.

It's also worth nothing that cameras like the Canon T3i (which a friend of mine now owns) are both incredibly cheap ($500) and shoot *fantastic* video relative to many relatively low-budget cameras.

So, the question is then, what to shoot, and how to edit it together into worthwhile outputs.

(12-10-2013 07:15 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  That's an interesting case: what do we need? I don't think we need super-famous actors or even D-list ones. As Zero Day proved, even normal people can be actors (and that's part of the reason I think that movie was actually well received despite the low profit, it was normal people and their normal lives) under the right circumstances.

As I see it, people are actors and actors are people. I've had people debate this with me ("I'm not a character!") but I think all people can be viewed as characters. The challenge is, looking for the stories that resonate with larger audiences (whether a couple hundred or a couple million.)

(12-10-2013 07:15 AM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Interesting idea, xcriteria. Interesting.

Yes, it is. Just hard to pull of with all of us introverts with no budget. Smile

(12-10-2013 07:29 AM)SubCulture Wrote:  I'd love it to be kinda like MyMusic. It's basically a youtube sitcom about a music company. What makes it stand out is that the story is that you can interact with the characters. They all have various social networks, they respond to comments, they have different shows throughout the week, etc. Basically, it's the first step to what xcritieria is talking about. The storyline is set in stone, but the actors are all in character and you can interact with them.

Yes, from the first time Fine Bros. mentioned MyMusic, I saw the link to all the themes we discuss here.

One of the questions there is where to draw the line between fictional characters and real-life people... what's the best way to do it? Real-life people have a bit lower-stakes, but fictional characters can (especially now) be treated and "played" like real-life people with their own social media profiles and all that.

(12-10-2013 07:29 AM)SubCulture Wrote:  What about people on here? I've dabbled in acting before. I'm usually better at improv, and I'm very rusty at that. And I'm a good writer. Maybe I can help. I would like to do it as like a dark comedy sort of a thing, rather than a drama. I have no idea how it would get funded, though. Kickstarter or Indiegogo?

Kickstarter and indiegogo are both platforms to consider.

But, the big question is, what needs to be funded? Realistically, anyone who's fine with getting on a webcam or showing in person with a videographer (a.k.a. parents' permission, for minors) can participate in a "show" if they want. One next question is, who gets paid what, if a production can be successfully monetized?

(12-11-2013 03:27 PM)Trar Wrote:  I'd like to see a crowd-supported school series. Ideally we could get normal students to do the acting if it's scripted(or has separate scripted scenes), but if it's a documentary-style thing that would be easier. I think I'd like to try and give acting for this a shot if I could. I still think an old-fashioned cash investment would be a good solid foundation for funding, but it would have to come with no strings attached.

Exactly. Scripted scenes have advantages, and documentary-style has its advantages. There are pros and cons of each. I'm interested in both formats, or hybrids, as actor/subject, writer, and/or producer. The key thing is to make something.

This has been my goal for years, but I think the time to make something is now. One basic question is what funding is needed. At this point, I have the beginnings of a team for something like this, and basic equipment. Some things can be done with nothing but webcams and recording software, or Google's Hangouts-on-Air, as well.

In either case, scripted or documentary, a key step in the process is collecting content (various takes of a script, or footage of real-life situations), and another key step is looking for the compelling story and editing it together.

In the case of a series, that means a series of compelling stories... ideally which builds to an overall progression of events. This is where studying storytelling a bit is useful.... whether or not these are thigns taught in "everything has always been bells ringing every hour" schools, where stories are only things you read in books, watch on TV, or see in a movie theatre.

(12-11-2013 03:27 PM)Trar Wrote:  Also your YouTube link is broken xcriteria.

Fixed, I missed a closing '/'. (One of the Future of Storytelling (FoST) clips: Who is the Audience and Who is the Author?: Jaime Robinson (Future of StoryTelling 2013))

(12-11-2013 03:35 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Personally I'd prefer the series to be in a "amateur camera" type of style, like Zero Day. I think the reason that movie was actually pretty good was because of that. I mean, it felt as if they were real people. It showed their daily lives, etc. It kinda felt that you were in it. The characters didn't feel scripted, they felt like real people.

I like a more "reality" format as well, while also showing meaningful stories. That's the challenge... how to show the stories in daily life. But, I htink it can be done.

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As a followup, here's one clip... from Christopher Vogler, about his book The Writer's Journey:



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I think there are many related tropes, but The Hero's Journey is one to get to know and consider as one step, or cycle, in life.

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It's going to be a challenge if some of us SSers want to collaborate on this thing, but I'd definitely try and support it any way I can. As I said, I could try my shot at acting, possibly as a 'troublemaker'. I'd also like to see an overall arching plot that plays out during the series; sometimes it could be in the background, sometimes up front.
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I would do well in a role of someone with autism. You know, sense problems, walking encyclopedia, doesn't talk or express emotions much, etc. Mainly because that's me.

What if this series had four of five different protagonists, and each webisode would focus on one of them? Then, we can look at school at a bunch of different perspectives. We could even take ot as far as each one is a differect genre. (One's a comedy, one's a drama, one's a mockumentery, etc.) To really examine it through different lenses.

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I like the idea of examining things through different lenses... as well as multiple protagonists.

I also like.the idea of multiple intersecting storylines, including long-arc ones that go into the background and come back at various points.

And... I'm intrigued by the prospect of bringing the audience into the story in some way. Check out Dana Shaw's (of TV Tropes Echo Chamber) views on story for an explanation that perfectly mirrors what I think: http://danaluery.com

Building a long-arc, multi-protagonist, semi-interactive storyline is a complex proposition, but I think all that could be perfectly suited to exploring themes of educaion, individual differences, and simply figuring out life in an age of change.

If some of you are going to act in some form of this, there's the question of how filming will work. I have access to a good camera, and several friends who are up for collaborating on some production projects in NYC, but people on the forums are all over the place.

Getting a budget to produce something that could be monetized (movie tickets, pay per download, advertisements, donors) is one option. I'd like to do that eventually, but it's necessary to start with something, learn, and iterate.

One option is for participants to film scenes locally, maybe with friends, and submit the footage for editing. Check what this guy did for some inspiration:

http://downanddirtydv.com/2012/03/22/shi...uncovered/

Yet another option is to get on something like Google hangouts and record scenes as web video conversations (in-character, or just as semi-scripted 'reality.')

Does it make sense to write characters, or to just start with reality and stylize it a bit?

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Hmmm.... I think it would be good to get some ideas down, write in all of the characters, get some plot trees down. Then, we see who will be able to complete the project, and give all of that to them. That's the best thing, considering how spread out the people here are.

I would love to act in it, but I my location and my prediciment with my parents makes that impossible. Even with the Google hangout thing.

I do have an idea for a character. I'll do some sort of profile or video or something with him, and I'll put it here.

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I would actually like to do it, but I don't really have the resources. How about an animated series?

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An animated series could be good as long as it's realistic. Maybe something like Wayside but much more grittier.

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Nah. Avatar style man.

On a serious note if we're planning any kind of series, animation IMO is an expensive option.
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I was thinking that, too. Let's try to stick with live action, somehow.

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Improvisation could have a place in our prospective series. Since we're going to be relying on outside input, maybe we could improvise scenarios in the series. Maybe a scene from a student's home, for example. Obviously we're going to need to have a strong connection to what issue we're trying to get across in an improv scene; having actors who understand it would be good as well.
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I've had a ton of experience at improv. If I was ever going to do this, I would only use my script as a guide. I've gotten A's on speeches I had no written format of. So yeah, I'm your improv guy.

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(12-14-2013 09:29 AM)Chanku Wrote:  I would actually like to do it, but I don't really have the resources. How about an animated series?

What kind if resources are you thinking of?

Animation is generally quite expensive and difficult, but it could be good for selected segments... or a show within a show made by the characters themselves.

A key question there is, who would do the art and drawing?

(Personally, I prefer live action, but that's just my preference.)

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(12-14-2013 04:03 PM)SubCulture Wrote:  I've had a ton of experience at improv. If I was ever going to do this, I would only use my script as a guide. I've gotten A's on speeches I had no written format of. So yeah, I'm your improv guy.

Ive always given presentations and speeches without any notes or paper. Never understood why others couldnt really do it. Then again I do often enjoy making up Mussolini style speeches at home as practice. It comes naturally to do without notes.

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(12-14-2013 04:26 PM)xcriteria Wrote:  
(12-14-2013 09:29 AM)Chanku Wrote:  I would actually like to do it, but I don't really have the resources. How about an animated series?

What kind if resources are you thinking of?

Animation is generally quite expensive and difficult, but it could be good for selected segments... or a show within a show made by the characters themselves.

A key question there is, who would do the art and drawing?

(Personally, I prefer live action, but that's just my preference.)

I have a few friends who can draw and I can do a bit of animating. I could also try and get a few people for a 3d-animated thing...

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I've had over a year experience in the 3D modelling/animation field. It's a ridiculously long process just to get 10 seconds of footage (modelling, texturing, rigging, animating, lighting, compositing, lip syncing if we have characters). I wouldn't be up for it. I really don't suggest you go for the animation method. 2D or 3D.
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I read somewhere that it takes days for several dozen computers just to render one 3D-animated movie. And they hire a guy to watch the computers while they're rendering. I'd go for live-action; any sort of animation we do would most likely be relegated to a show-within-a-show made by students. I'll kinda miss the idea of a grittier Wayside School, though.

We're going to need quite a bit of money just to collaborate, get movie-making resources and assemble actors. If I had to act in this I could do it on a shoe-string budget, but that's still an if.
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