"The No Self-Defense Policy" is BULL.

[FUCKSchoolKCUF]

*Excuse my anger*

I have been waiting to rage out about this ever since I've first seen the policy. At my school, there's a policy that says that you CANNOT defend yourself under ANY circumstances...



Okay, first of all, who the fuck thought it was okay for students to NOT be able to defend themselves? If some snotty, A-hole "bully" came up to me and socked me in the face, I should have the RIGHT to hit him back out of self defense! But no! There is no "victim". We'd both get the SAME punishment. What am I supposed to do? Stand there and get my ass kicked? NO. My instincts would kick in and beat the crap out of the person. EVEN A SIMPLE PUSH is called "fighting" and at my school, you get a fucking POLICE CITATION! 400 USD to be exact.

[TheCancer]

Kids who fight at school just want it to get broken up.

If you really wanted to hurt someone you would go take care of it on the streets where there's a chance you could be hurt as well.

[brainiac3397]

You fight back, you get punished. You dont fight back, you get punished.

Thus logic dictates the best self defense is no self defense. Unfortunately despite how incredibly stupid said logic really is, few schools seem to be capable of reaching the minimum level of critical thinking (or any thinking) to make it to this conclusion. In fact they made it so far in life is a surprise worthy of a Reality TV show on MTV.

[eerie138]

(01-23-2015 02:50 PM)FUCKSchoolKCUF Wrote:  *Excuse my anger*

I have been waiting to rage out about this ever since I've first seen the policy. At my school, there's a policy that says that you CANNOT defend yourself under ANY circumstances...



Okay, first of all, who the fuck thought it was okay for students to NOT be able to defend themselves? If some snotty, A-hole "bully" came up to me and socked me in the face, I should have the RIGHT to hit him back out of self defense! But no! There is no "victim". We'd both get the SAME punishment. What am I supposed to do? Stand there and get my ass kicked? NO. My instincts would kick in and beat the crap out of the person. EVEN A SIMPLE PUSH is called "fighting" and at my school, you get a fucking POLICE CITATION! 400 USD to be exact.

you have every right to be pissed. I was kicked out of school for fighting back when I had THREE other kids jump me in one of the classrooms at dismissal. They didn't get in any kind of trouble because they were in the 'popular' crowd (2 were football players and the other was the vice-principal's kid), but I was expelled straightaway. My parents didn't even defend me.

My stupid question of the the day is why do kids want to fight in the first place?

[timf]

At my school, there's a policy that says that you CANNOT defend yourself under ANY circumstances...

This is an example of how the morons who run education think they can exercise control. They think if you have a policy or a rule, you have solved a problem. However, the problem they think they have solved is theirs not yours.

They are not concerned with your welfare or that of any other student. They are concerned with keeping order. They have a problem if they are late on the scene of a fight (which of course they always are). They find both students claim "self defense". With this new policy they have made self-defense a crime, now they think they can punish both.

They think they have solved their administrative problem of determining who is at fault by punishing the guilty and the innocent. They do not understand that by making themselves administrators of injustice, they lose what little credibility they had.

If you want to get them to change their policy ask them to respond in writing if this new policy means that they are going to pay for any medical treatments including emotional damage. This would open them up to millions of dollars of potential liability in civil litigation.

Since you are being beaten up because of their failure to administer their institution for your safety in the first place, you are now going to be punished for compensating for their failure.

This idea is not new. Lawyers and judges were inconvenienced by traffic and divorce cases in the 1950s and 60s. They put pressure on state legislatures and we now have no-fault divorce and mandatory car insurance. It is much more convenient for administrators to do their job if anyone who wants a divorce can get one and if everyone else pays for the damage caused by drunk drivers.

Collectivism is intrinsically unfair to the individual. The book "Animal Farm" describes this.

When you look at the policies these people come up with, it is easy to see the self serving behind it. To do something so irrational you can only have three reasons.

1. The administrators are so lazy they don't even think about what they are doing.
2. The administrators are so stupid they cannot understand what they are doing.
3. The administrators are so clever that they are lying about what they are doing.

[TheShadow]

It's bullshit I tell ya. If someone starts a fight with me you can be damn sure that I'll at least try to defend myself, I wouldn't let myself get stomped around by a bully, if the school doesn't like it they can go screw themselves, really.

[Missile]

I've beaten up people before, yes I got in trouble for it but the bullies never bullied me again,
Beat them up anyway, if you don't they are going to continue to make your life miserable

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Crap, I was trying to give FUCKschoolCUF a thanks but I accidentally added him to my ignore list

[Chanku]

Have you read the handbook they gave you at the beginning of the year(assuming they are required to inform parents of District policies.)? If there is a policy in there that states it then take up an issue with the school board. Also note that if it's a school policy itself, and you get in trouble for it, and do get expelled, some places allow you to appeal to the school board itself.

Here's a tip to all: If you get a policy handbook keep it with you at all times, and learn it inside and out. If you know the policies of the District and the school then you can easily call any bullshit they say. I've actually needed to use it before.

[lisafromjackson]

I think it's worth it to try to figure out why kids fight in school. People say, that's just how kids are, but I don't think that's true. Others say, it's because of their families, and that might be part of it, but it's also a cop-out. What do you think would improve the school environmnet and culture so that kids didn't fight?

[Missile]

(01-24-2015 09:15 AM)lisafromjackson Wrote:  I What do you think would improve the school environmnet and culture so that kids didn't fight?

Getting rid of bullying would be a major thing to cut down on fights, but that will never happen

[lisafromjackson]

I don't think that gets down to the cause of bullying. It just says, Bullies Exist. But I know kids who have been bullied, and also, in turn, bully. I know parents who complain about bullying whose kids have bullied mine.

So I think there aren't really bullies but kids who engage in bullying behavior.

Saying "they are just bullies" doesn't drill down to causes. What do you think?

[Ky]

I may have been an oblivious, entitled little brat during my time in elementary and middle school, but the incompetence of school officials knocked me down a peg or two: I've gotten punished just for being punched (whether in the face or the gut) at least twice (and have been threatened with punishment for being punched twice more).

Yet my fist never connected with another kid's face. Yeah, that's fair.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

I know how it feels (I haven't been bullied in school, but the thought of being in trouble for defending myself scares me.) Ending self-defense hurts victims, not bullies. I guess they are going by the "if you defend yourself you are a bully" logic, but that helps nobody.

[eerie138]

I'd say the best way to end the bullying and fighting in school is to just stop going to school