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Last Wednesday, the principal of my school announced that he was looking into having periodic searches for narcotics through the use of police canine units. He claimed that the purpose of doing this was to cut down on the use of drugs. Since he's a straight-up guy, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he has no ulterior motive.

However, I don't agree with him, and I am going to stop him from implementing drug dogs into the school's safety procedures.

I have founded an unofficial club at my school called the Student Freedom Team, and, while I've only been able to recruit two other members, have gotten the team to unanimously decide that having the drug dogs perform their searches will not be tolerated. I have already talked to a few other students, and attempted to convince them that the searches will be a nuisance and an invasion of their privacy, but popular opinion on drug dogs appears to be positive. They have no idea that they're considered guilty before proven innocent.

Considering my principal appears to encourage discussion on this topic, I intend to talk with him about the harm that such a policy could cause, and hopefully convince him to abandon the idea. If I succeed, this will be my first truly successful act against the infringement of youth rights.

In order for me to succeed, though, I may need some advice - my principal, though very reasonable-sounding, seems excited to try out these searches. I don't think my persuasive skills are yet up to the task.

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Drug dogs are cool, I petted a few throughout my highschool career, I actually have a german shephard at my house. I also knew a few of the cops cause that was during/a little past the dealing days.
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Just go straight to the point if he's open minded to save you time or make it longer just in case, if he's close minded don't hesitate to go all out unless he's ignorant to make it shorter.

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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(10-14-2012 07:03 AM)SaintVicious Wrote:  Drug dogs are cool, I petted a few throughout my highschool career, I actually have a german shephard at my house. I also knew a few of the cops cause that was during/a little past the dealing days.

That's because they never attacked you or were just never used. Huh

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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(10-14-2012 07:04 AM)EmpathyLover Wrote:  
(10-14-2012 07:03 AM)SaintVicious Wrote:  Drug dogs are cool, I petted a few throughout my highschool career, I actually have a german shephard at my house. I also knew a few of the cops cause that was during/a little past the dealing days.

That's because they never attacked you or were just never used. Huh

The real problem with drug dogs, actually, is that they could offer a false positive. Most dogs, no matter how well trained, tend to give some reaction to delicious food products - that sparks a very intrusive search to any cop who thinks that you have drugs, when in fact you just packed a little bit of beef jerky.

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Then stop being afraid of dogs then. If one attacked me would I attempt to kill that thing right there, I'd sue every fucker within eyesight get the press involved that shit is a PA nightmare for schools
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Ok,you try to stop jaws 10 times faster than you.

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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I don't think I have much to offer that you don't already know about. However, this is awesome!!! I hope you succeed.

This may help. It gives me hope. It's for resisting, I believe there is a section on drug dogs. But it is small.
http://www.thewaronkids.com/student.pdf
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(10-14-2012 07:08 AM)DoA Wrote:  
(10-14-2012 07:04 AM)EmpathyLover Wrote:  
(10-14-2012 07:03 AM)SaintVicious Wrote:  Drug dogs are cool, I petted a few throughout my highschool career, I actually have a german shephard at my house. I also knew a few of the cops cause that was during/a little past the dealing days.

That's because they never attacked you or were just never used. Huh

The real problem with drug dogs, actually, is that they could offer a false positive. Most dogs, no matter how well trained, tend to give some reaction to delicious food products - that sparks a very intrusive search to any cop who thinks that you have drugs, when in fact you just packed a little bit of beef jerky.

OH! A good way to piss him off if he insists on the dogs would be to give everybody jerky, and try to get them to bark at pretty much every student ^^
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(10-14-2012 09:26 AM)EmpathyLover Wrote:  Ok,you try to stop jaws 10 times faster than you.

it's really not that hard, this is another example of what i learned in psychology last year. When the dog is close to you, you tense your arm and put it at a 90 degree turn, like you're showing off your muscles in the mirror, and then you jam your arm up in the dogs mouth as far as possible, then in one quick motion you put your other arm behind his neck, to act as a support so he won't back away and make this harder, and just move your arm that's in his mouth in an arcing motion. This method is the least dangerous to yourself and will always snap the dogs neck, and when the police take you to court for it you can chalk it up to self-defense since you didn't have any drugs and/or weapons on your person.

By the way, we have cops that hang around our skool to keep kids in line, i canlled them rent-a-cops like 2 years ago when i thought they were just security guards like the mall has, and this kid i used to be friends with got really pissed at that and yelled right away that they were real cops (well, atleast i know now i suppose, doesn't make a difference either way) and so i sat there and argued with him a bit about how they really are just rent-a-cops because we rent them from the police station.

P.S. My business and law teacher got her car searched one time because when the dogs came around at the time, she had just sold a bunch of cakes for one of those pyramid schemes and so the smell was still in the trunk of her car, so they sent some people to her room to get her and they told her to sign a paper saying they could search her car, normally she wouldn't do this, but she said "what if i don't sign it?" and so the cop piped up and said "then we'll get a search warrant for your car and look anyways" and so she signed it since they would search anyways, and the cop that hhad to do the searching used to be one of her students and he kept apologizing for having to do that. After looking through all the obvious spots, he asked her to open the trunk and they didn't find anything.

So that's one reason why drug dogs can't really be trusted, although if she were just a student then they probably would have threatened jail time for not signing the paper and then went and got one of those swinging lights cops used to use to interrogate people and abuse her trying to get information about who she gets her "drugs" from

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(10-14-2012 09:34 AM)GreenLamp Wrote:  I don't think I have much to offer that you don't already know about. However, this is awesome!!! I hope you succeed.

This may help. It gives me hope. It's for resisting, I believe there is a section on drug dogs. But it is small.
http://www.thewaronkids.com/student.pdf

"DruG sniffinG DoGs – tHroW ‘em off tHe trail,
Drug sniffing dogs are showing up in more and more schools to search student lockers and backpacks. There is no evidence that this deters drug use. The dogs are unreliable. If students had
constitutional rights, this would be a violation of those rights.
To confuse the dogs keep dog food in as many lockers as possible and unwrapped beef jerky in
backpacks. This should cause the dogs to alert to every locker and backpack and will make the use
of dogs impractical."

Say, that's actually quite useful as a last resort. If my persuasion fails, I can certainly try this.

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Might I suggest just not bringing your shit to school? Oh, and as a heads up they will search the parking lot as well so dont bring it in your car either (not sure if in highschool). Teachers report things as well, and so they will also have lists. Oh how they love thier lists. Names of students that they belive to smoke and so they will stop at certain lockers or cars specificly so the dogs can take a better examination.

Every time they catch at least four or five kids, and search a few others that they cant find anything conclusive on.

However you do have a few options for concealment:
Your anus
An actual skunk
Dont park on school grounds as they cannot search sidestreets
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Actually having drugs isn't the point, the point is that these searches would not be tolerated anywhere else (except prison I suppose).

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What's strange is that I have seen and heard no evidence that illegal drugs of any kind are located on school grounds. I go to a very good school...so, of course, it seems strange that they're implementing these searches out of the blue.

By the way, I don't do drugs.

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Go to a bad school, or better, go to SomeRandomHuman's school. Those are the best places to make money selling stuff.

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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(10-15-2012 03:37 AM)DoA Wrote:  What's strange is that I have seen and heard no evidence that illegal drugs of any kind are located on school grounds. I go to a very good school...so, of course, it seems strange that they're implementing these searches out of the blue.

That does seem odd... Suspicious

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(10-15-2012 03:37 AM)DoA Wrote:  What's strange is that I have seen and heard no evidence that illegal drugs of any kind are located on school grounds. I go to a very good school...so, of course, it seems strange that they're implementing these searches out of the blue.

By the way, I don't do drugs.

Rich kids just have more expensive habits. "Good" school or not.
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Narcotics can fuck you up really bad really quickly. Fuck the principle, narcotics are probably the worst class of drugs. Don't fight it, if they were going after weed or Halucinogens, well, thats a different issue.

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And it should be those peoples right to fuck themselves up as they so choose.
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