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How could you be so cruel to those poor little defenseless plants? You never asked them if they wanted to be forced into a processing plant and eaten. Plants are living things, and just because they can't talk doesn't mean that they're being hurt every single day by you assholes. You need to respect living organisms, no matter how simple they are.
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
You bring up a good point in your sarcastic post, Bobman. Anyone who wants to survive has to eat something that was once alive. So, why must I restrict myself to plants? I feel a desire to eat tasty animals too.
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
Weswammy Wrote:You bring up a good point in your sarcastic post, Bobman. Anyone who wants to survive has to eat something that was once alive. So, why must I restrict myself to plants? I feel a desire to eat tasty animals too.
BMP wasn't being sarcastic, his hate for animal rights runs deep.
Whatever BMP said earlier, that's how I feel.
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Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
Ah, but wolf, how do we know that within a plant's cells, for they are rather complex, sensations can not be felt? For all we know, plant life may have an advanced, unknown form of sensory perception different from that of what we feel?
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Dance, if you've torn the bandage off.
Dance in the middle of the fighting.
Dance in your blood.
Dance, when you're perfectly free.
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Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
Quote:When you're sick you kill millions of germs when you take medicine to cure it, so don't do it and save millions of living organisms.
This. They have lives, and a need to procreate. By curing yourself of disease, you're taking away their chances at keeping their species alive!
And I saw some documentary somewhere about plants that could "sense" when certain kinds of insects were in the area. I can't remember much about it now. But it was interesting.
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Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
|55555| Wrote:When you're sick you kill millions of germs when you take medicine to cure it, so don't do it and save millions of living organisms.
Exactly.
Why doesn't PETA care? I thought they were for the rights of all living organisms. Bacteria are living organisms. Why doesn't PETA care about them?
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
Because one is directly harmful to people, and one isn't.
Dance, when you're broken up.
Dance, if you've torn the bandage off.
Dance in the middle of the fighting.
Dance in your blood.
Dance, when you're perfectly free.
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Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
Look, imo, there's nothing wrong with being vegetarian or believing that animal cruelty is wrong, because it is, and being vegetarian is a possible option that can be healthy and it's a personal choice.
But when you're trying to call fish 'sea kittens' to keep people from eating fish...
like PETA...
that's overboard.
Thing is, people shouldn't feel BAD for eating something that was once alive. It's basically what humans and any other omnivore/carnivore were meant to do.
But if someone wants to become vegetarian for a different reason, that's fine. I dunno, protesting the CURRENT system of making animals into food?
I think the methods they use nowadays are too cruel, and I could easily justify not eating meat because of that.
But I don't feel guilty because I don't turn vegetarian.
That's the difference.
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An it Harm, Do Only What Ye Must
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Carla Franklin may be a whore. She may be a wonderful, kind, moral woman. Seeing as I don't know her personally, I cannot know for sure. However, I find her actions (suing Google, requesting the personal info of her critics, getting angry over random internet idiocy that she should ignore and be bigger than, trying to get this site in trouble because of a few users' commentary on the situation, etc.) pretty ridiculous and unwarranted. If she didn't want people to to be talking about/judging her, well 1. that's impossible, she's a human, and 2. she shouldn't have been a model or agreed to be on film. AND 3. she DEFINITELY shouldn't have sued Google and made all this fuss over a few random idiots whom she probably won't ever know expressing their opinion. Mmkay? MMKAY.
An it Harm None, Do What Ye Will
An it Harm, Do Only What Ye Must
Lighten up! This life was made for experimenting, making mistakes, falling on our faces, and standing up to do it all over again.
Live for Learning.
Carla Franklin may be a whore. She may be a wonderful, kind, moral woman. Seeing as I don't know her personally, I cannot know for sure. However, I find her actions (suing Google, requesting the personal info of her critics, getting angry over random internet idiocy that she should ignore and be bigger than, trying to get this site in trouble because of a few users' commentary on the situation, etc.) pretty ridiculous and unwarranted. If she didn't want people to to be talking about/judging her, well 1. that's impossible, she's a human, and 2. she shouldn't have been a model or agreed to be on film. AND 3. she DEFINITELY shouldn't have sued Google and made all this fuss over a few random idiots whom she probably won't ever know expressing their opinion. Mmkay? MMKAY.
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
To clear up any misunderstandings, here's my view:
Animals are resources. They aren't people. I personally like to not be be mean to mine, but you do what you want to.
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
THIS IS HORRIBLE! Each year, millions of cute, defenseless puppies are being eaten by bloodthirsty Chinese peoplez, donate money to our fund so we may construct a nuclear weapon in which to eradicate those chinks!
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Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
TrueAnarchist Wrote:THIS IS HORRIBLE! Each year, millions of cute, defenseless puppies are being eaten by bloodthirsty Chinese peoplez, donate money to our fund so we may construct a nuclear weapon in which to eradicate those chinks!
OR we could respect their culinary tastes and not go there on vacation so as to not be exposed to Saint Bernard meat.
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
BobManPerson Wrote:
TrueAnarchist Wrote:chinks!
Don't be a fucking racist asshole, you dirty nigger.
Dont be a fucking cock-swinging porch nigger, you dirty racist chink spick, we need to learn to accept eachothers differences as smelly, angry old wetback communists
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
Re: Question for all pro-animal rights vegetarians
BobManPerson Wrote:How could you be so cruel to those poor little defenseless plants? You never asked them if they wanted to be forced into a processing plant and eaten. Plants are living things, and just because they can't talk doesn't mean that they're being hurt every single day by you assholes. You need to respect living organisms, no matter how simple they are.
Yeah, lets eat rocks.
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