LGBTQ+ on School Survival

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Jop Wrote:What's the point of an implanted "organ" that actually does nothing?

It helps trans people feel less dysphoric about their bodies. There's no other known way to help them. Obviously if they could learn to live with their bodies the way they originally were, they wouldn't spend their time and money on surgery.

[the Analogist]

I think one of the biggest precepts never criticized about psychology is the possible relevant existence of unseen creatures like demons/jinn. If they did exist they would be of great significance, but believers and non-believers don't mix. I mean what graduate student would be like "hey, so these verses from the Qur'an have such and such power. Can I have some money to investigate this?"

So, as somebody who does believe in Jinn I believe that psychology is forever missing a major piece of the puzzle, not to mention the convoluted ill-explored baseline for humanity referred to as "normal".

[Rule_BreakerXVIII]

I am probably bi, but I don't really know because I have no sexual experience whatsoever. I don't mind what other people call themselves or how they relate to their own bodies as long as they are not obnoxious dickweeds about it; it is none of my business, after all, as long as they do not violate others' consent and trust.

[magikarp]

I am like, old and gay, and kind of ??? abt current gender politics.

I think something was lost with the insistence that sexuality has nothing (ever) to do with gender expression or gender identity loosely. Not sure it's useful to see feeling like, for example, not-quite-a-woman as always its own thing and not just, like sometimes part of being a dyke.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:Not sure it's useful to see feeling like, for example, not-quite-a-woman as always its own thing and not just, like sometimes part of being a dyke.

Yeah, while it's nice to seperate things to make more sense of them in an isolated way, some things are just part of other things, and might not exist on their own... or at least not for everyone.

Gender confuses the hell out of me though, and I think it makes it easier to think about things seperately if you're as confused as I am.

But I don't like it when people insist that things are a certain way, as if nobody is allowed to question it.

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It's probably the case for some people that they're not actually trans and are just gay or gender-nonconforming or doing it to fit in with certain groups, but having people tell you that when you know it doesn't apply to you can be frustrating. When I told people I liked girls, they told me I just hadn't found the right guy yet or that I was too young to know. When I told people that I was trans, they told me I was just a lesbian or, again, that I was too young to know. That was several years ago, and I'm sure that if people wanted to, they could still come up with infinite reasons as to why they don't think that I'm actually trans.

Of course, I think I've made my distaste for people who don't fit the medical definition calling themselves trans pretty clear earlier in the thread. But when I see the whole "trans people might just be gay" thing, I feel the need to say something because of my past experiences.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:When I told people I liked girls, they told me I just hadn't found the right guy yet or that I was too young to know. When I told people that I was trans, they told me I was just a lesbian or, again, that I was too young to know.

Haha, there's just no way to win with people like that. In my case, I tell people I'm not interested in sex or relationships, and they say "You just haven't met the right guy yet! ... or girl... I don't judge!".

Like, anything except what I just said would be fine, I can't possibly know what I'm talking about, right?

[James Comey]

Gonna sticky the thread.

[magikarp]

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[Night]

So I'm a bit complicated, I've come to the realization that I'm probably demisexual, meaning I'm only sexual attracted to someone after I've made an emotional connection. However at the same time, I can be attracted to everyone, so I'm pansexual. Somehow I think these two labels combine to form my sexuality. At the same time I'm definitely heteroromantic, or at least I've yet to have a romantic attraction to another woman. So I only date men, but I'd have sex with anyone, man, woman, non-binary, transitioning. Don't care, you're all unbelievably sexy creatures. I just only seem to fall in love with men. And I am 100% undoubtedly cisgender, never once have I felt even a tinge of dysphoria.

So, first of all, I want to address some issues I have with the labels Bisexual vs Pansexual. I believe that the term Bisexual is inherently transphobic. This is not to say all bisexuals are transphobic! I just think most of them are actual pan and just don't recognize it. I actually believe that the vast majority of people who would consider themselves strictly bisexual have some amount of transphobia in them. Mostly because I hear sometimes from bi people that they wouldn't be with a trans person, and I just think, what's the difference? If you're attracted to both sexes, what's the issue if they transitioned/ing or not? In my opinion, "bisexual" has become redundant. I see it as a sign of transphobia in the LGBTQ+ community. A problem which persists to this day by the way. To be fair, bi people are somewhat marginalized in the LGBTQ+ community as well, but not to the level of trans people.

I know people have already debated on the post about not understand non-binary genders but I figured I'd put my two cents in as well. I like to err on the side of caution when people talk about their gender, whatever it may be. I'd go back to Soul post about as an agender person being unable to understand the concept of gender. Similarly, as a cisgendered female, I literally cannot fathom the thought of not having a gender. I actually find the concept of gender fluidity to be more understandable than being agender!!! The point is how can we know what's going on in the heads of other people? How do we know that they couldn't possibly feel more of one gender one day to the next or a combination of both? We just can't. And personally, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and use whichever pronouns they prefer, even if it changed from yesterday. After all, who knows someone better than themselves?

And nobody better come at me with that "But we didn't have all these genders back in the day!!" Because I guaran-fucking-tee you we did. But in case you haven't noticed, LGBTQ+ people are still being killed just for being who we are so I doubt people back in the day would be all too inclined to be as out and proud as people are today. You'd probably have an appointment with an exorcist if you were.

I also want to address the point made earlier about the genitals of trans people not being functioning. This argument is just stupid, plain and simple. So what if they don't function? If it makes a trans person feel comfortable in their own body and not suicidal, I'm all for it! Plus did you forget about all the cis men without functioning genitals? Just because his testies are real doesn't mean they're producing sperm. And just because he was born with a dick doesn't mean he doesn't have to take a pill just to get it up (this happens with young men too, trust me, I know..). Is he any less of a man? What about women? You know fertility treatments are a huge industry right? Lots of women get seriously depressed upon hearing they can't have children. This notion that you can't really be a man or a woman if you don't have functioning genitals is harmful on so many levels not only to trans people but even cis people who desperately want to have kids but can't.

If you're skipping my post i implore you to at least read this last paragraph
Plus this whole thread has actually ignored the existence of intersex people. What do we say about people with BOTH sets of genitals? Honestly, I'm seriously asking. How does the existence of intersex people not flip the concept of gender on its head? Like, if we're meant to infer one's gender by their genitals how do we categorize those with both? By this logic, intersex people would be inherently non-binary, correct? But they often identify with one or the other and what else can we do but take their word for it?

[magikarp]

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[Username]

I don't know what any of these -sexuals mean.

[Night]

(04-17-2017 04:02 AM)magikarp Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 04:12 PM)Night Wrote:  If you're skipping my post i implore you to at least read this last paragraph
Plus this whole thread has actually ignored the existence of intersex people. What do we say about people with BOTH sets of genitals? Honestly, I'm seriously asking. How does the existence of intersex people not flip the concept of gender on its head? Like, if we're meant to infer one's gender by their genitals how do we categorize those with both? By this logic, intersex people would be inherently non-binary, correct? But they often identify with one or the other and what else can we do but take their word for it?

In the context of there being only two socially intelligible genders, the idea that intersex people inherently 'flip the concept of gender on its head' is uhh not actually that progressive or kind towards intersex people

Umm.. I'm not really sure what you mean but sure, maybe the wording wasn't the best but I don't think that detracts from the point I was making in the end and I find your seeming focus on this one sentence to be fallacious.

[DreamRebel]

(04-17-2017 04:44 AM)Username Wrote:  I don't know what any of these -sexuals mean.

That's what google is for.