School are prisons and that's a good thing!

[Reptorian]

Galen the so-called youth rights supporter Wrote:I've long struggled with the duality of my beliefs and my existance. On the one hand, I'm a staunch supporter of Youth Rights, a movement which tends toward the belief that compulsory education is immoral and tantamount to slavery, imprisonment, etc. On the other hand, I'm an educator in the public school system; it's my "bread and butter" and I fucking like my job. Still, on the other hand (I'm a god, I get to have 3 hands if it suits me, stfu), There is my first love and life's work: Combatting stupidity wherever it lies.

I think I have finally reconciled my seemingly conflicting beliefs and, having reached a conclusion (which is obviously the right answer since I'm the one who came up with it), I've decided to share my wisdom with the lowly masses (that's you) one more time.

So here's the deal. The Youth Rights movement is 100% correct. Forcing children to attend school IS a denial of their fundamental freedom and it is exactly like prison!

But let's examine that comparison a little more closely. What is a prison? Well, the comparison is obvious because a prison is a place where criminals are denied their right to be free based on the fact that if they had their freedom they would be a detriment and a danger to society as a whole. Now, I don't hear many cries to eliminate prisons completely. Oh sure, there are those who believe in rehabilitation and only using imprisonment as a last resort for dangerous people who can't be "fixed," but for the most part, you're not going to find a lot of people who think that prisons should be entirely done away with. Why not, though? I mean, why DO we tolerate the fact that millions of people all over the world are having their fundamental right to be free taken from them?

Because the world would be a fucking festering shithole of anarchy and chaos without taking away the freedom of those whose freedom is a danger to everyone else.

Yes, school is exactly like prison.

You see, fuckers, children do have a natural curiousity and ability to learn that far surpasses what schools give them. Schools, in fact, strip away this natural desire to learn everything possible and turn children into little fact-spewing robots (or worse). But, can any of you honestly tell me that you've never met a person who just fucking didn't CARE to know shit? Like, it's just not a part of that person's personality to give a shit about why/how things happen or any of that? Ok, so what about THAT person? Do we just let that little idiot grow up to be a detriment to society? And then the REAL problem comes in when you consider the human race itself as the ultimate proof that the YR movements claims about how well people would do without someone forcing them to learn are claims built on a mountain of never having observed a single human being.

Most humans are neither ambitious nor intelligent. Most will indeed learn what they absolutely need to know, but nothing more. Has anyone stopped to consider that the human race has made more progress (and made it faster) since the inception of institutionalized education than it did in the two-hundred thousand years prior?

And this is where my conflicting beliefs merge and revolve around a third unifying belief.

Schools are prisons, where children are forced to attend and forced to learn what the state proscribes. And just like a penetentiary, it's an evil to deprive people of their freedom, but a neccesary evil.

My unifying belief is the belief that I've expressed in the vast majority of the rants here on this site. People are complete idiots who cannot ever be trusted to not be fucking morons unless you slap them around and force them to think! School is an evil prison, but that's a GOOD thing! Forcing people to learn things they'd otherwise never bother with is a GOOD thing! The acquisition of knowledge is a GOOD THING! Leaving human beings to their own devices, after they've proven millions and millions of times over that they're just too stupid is a damn dangerous idea.

Mandatory schooling is indeed a totalitarian idea. Yes it is indeed and it is morally wrong, but it is also realistically neccesary. Let me put it to you in one simple little sentence that your tiny public-school brain can grasp: You have to FORCE people to know things or they just WON'T.

Now, am I saying that it's a perfect system? Fuck no! It should be reformed, it should be fixed, it should be WAY the hell better than it is, but one thing it should never be is eliminated. Forcing people to fucking learn the basic facts of human knowledge is VITAL! Not doing so, and letting those STUPID UNEDUCATED ASSHOLES run around loose is as much a danger to our world as closing down the prison system.

Immoral and anti-YR, yes, but still a much needed service!

Oh, I can just hear the dissent now. Over at NYRA or echoing through the halls of the School Survival forums.

Source: http://www.snipeme.com/rants.php?rant=s ... re_prisons

[NowhereWoman]

Lol I don't really care.

He's ranting against the idiocy of the human condition, which i understand.
I think he's wrong that school fixes that- it may help in some cases, but definitely not all and I still believe what I do.

I don't care that he thinks school is necessary. I still agree with the guy on a lot of other things, and hey, my opinion doesn't count in his life anyway.

This isn't a big deal, IMO.

[Thought Criminal]

Oh who cares. Feel free to read my views on the issue. I'm OP
http://www.snipeme.net/showthread.php?tid=2438

[Rebelnerd]

Eh, he's probably just trying to piss people off.

[యూజర్ పేరు]

I wholeheartedly agree. Seriously. Especially this part:

Quote:Now, am I saying that it's a perfect system? Fuck no! It should be reformed, it should be fixed, it should be WAY the hell better than it is, but one thing it should never be is eliminated. Forcing people to fucking learn the basic facts of human knowledge is VITAL! Not doing so, and letting those STUPID UNEDUCATED ASSHOLES run around loose is as much a danger to our world as closing down the prison system.

[psychopath]

Will you kids ever stop sucking galen's cock? Its a big mistake to make massive assumptions like this based on other assumptions. Not enough logic here for me, sorry.

The whole post sounds like an emotional argument.

But,

Quote:You have to FORCE people to know things or they just WON'T.

Not only is that not always true, if people don't learn it then they probably don't need to. Humans are efficient machines and adapt when they need to. It's also wrong because humans are naturally curious creatures and that's how we've developed our technology ever since we evolved.

The problem here is you guys look up to galen and pretty much suck his cock no matter what he spews.

Big fail, this is a troll/mindless rant and isn't worth an intellectual debate.

[Thought Criminal]

Well there are a few things he says that I don't fully agree with but the gist of what he is saying makes total sense to me. It's stuff I've always though about.

[psychopath]

I've thought about it too, but the fact is that schools don't teach anything new, it's in their nature to crush creativity.

People learn what they need to learn, that's already covered, school is just a distraction to that. And creativity? It doesn't exist in schools. Creativity comes from pioneers, curious people, creative people, inventors, etc.

This is like people who hate school but feel guilty about it, but then they wise up and realise what's wrong with school. School is not necessary, at all.

[Prince Rilian]

I could tell quickly that I did not want to subject myself to that bile.
i.e.
too stupid; didn't read

[magikarp]

VisualStyly Wrote:Has anyone stopped to consider that the human race has made more progress (and made it faster) since the inception of institutionalized education than it did in the two-hundred thousand years prior?

This, of course, has nothing to do with either industrialization or a larger population.

(Although, I guess it's possible that compulsory education is a consequence of industrialization and was neccessary to it.)

[Reptorian]

@Rebelnerd:That's pretty much exactly what I have thought when I read the rant.

@Magikarp: Some says that school is started optionally and then it spread into other areas while people involved are trying to gain support for it which in turn made it compulsory. Some say that big businesses support schooling because it teaches them how to be obedient people.

Even though I cannot honestly support his position of supporting a place that is perceived to be a prison placed upon the innocent, I don't have much to argue against his analogy on how prison has reduced "problematic" issues that is provoked by individuals who tends to be detriment to society and anything similar to prison can be used to provoke some degree of dissent and fear on some individuals such as residential camp issues which in turn had more people supporting their side for that one factor. Schools being compulsory forcing people to be into environment that they cannot mentally adapt to is indeedr unacceptable especially on a large scale population area.

[The Desert Fox]

Reforming the system > Eliminating the system

[Prince Rilian]

Eric-Northman Wrote:Reforming the system > Eliminating the system

Central planning is never the best. Get rid of all systems. Emergent order ftw.

[psychopath]

Prince Rilian Wrote:Central planning is never the best. Get rid of all systems. Emergent order ftw.

Well you can't get rid of ALL systems without killing off the entire human race, a system means parts working together to achieve a goal, everything is a system from the human body to a train network.

[Prince Rilian]

psychopath Wrote:

Prince Rilian Wrote:Central planning is never the best. Get rid of all systems. Emergent order ftw.

Well you can't get rid of ALL systems without killing off the entire human race, a system means parts working together to achieve a goal, everything is a system from the human body to a train network.

Prince Rilian Wrote:Emergent order ftw.

[HeartofShadows]

NowhereWoman Wrote:Lol I don't really care.

He's ranting against the idiocy of the human condition, which i understand.
I think he's wrong that school fixes that- it may help in some cases, but definitely not all and I still believe what I do.

I don't care that he thinks school is necessary. I still agree with the guy on a lot of other things, and hey, my opinion doesn't count in his life anyway.

This isn't a big deal, IMO.

This right here.

Rebelnerd Wrote:Eh, he's probably just trying to piss people off.

This too

I mean come on this is galen from NYRA.

He's an asshole but I understand and agree with him on alot of things.

Humanity is shit and it ain't getting any better.