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School tries new approach to discipline — suspensions drop 85%
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School tries new approach to discipline — suspensions drop 85%

Lincoln High School in Walla Walla, WA, tries new approach to school discipline — suspensions drop 85%

This is a long article, but it makes a compelling argument to listen to students rather than rushing to punish them.

Just add a discussion of what's wrong with factory model learning, and this approach has the potential to make a substantial change in how people are "educated."

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Some of the comments give me hope, others are depressing.

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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(06-17-2013 03:22 AM)planetfall666 Wrote:  Some of the comments give me hope, others are depressing.
Which ones are the latter? I didn't scroll far enough down to see.
06-22-2013 06:46 AM
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I don't know, and it seems to add comments to the top so I can't find them again...

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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Ah, here's one. "School is where they learn. They learn nothing at home."

It was certainly not the overall tone of the comments, as I can now better see. But I fear that the current officials will only see this research in terms of "keep them in hell longer."

Hello, traveler.

This is an ancient account I have not used in a long time. My views have changed much in the intervening months and years.

Nonetheless, I refuse to clean it up. Pretending that I've held my current views since the beginning of time is what we in the industry call a lie. Asking people to do so contributes to moralistic self-loathing. "See, those people have nothing damning! I do! I'm truly vile!"

Because you can never be a good person with a single blemish on the moral record, I thought that simply entertaining some thoughts made me irredeemable. Though I don't care for his writing style, William Faulkner presents a good counterexample. He went from being a typical Southern racist to supporting the civil rights movement. These days we'd yell at him for that, probably.

People are allowed to change their views.

Nevertheless, this period of my life has informed some of how I am today. In good ways and bad ways. To purge it would be to do a disservice to history. Perhaps it will not make anyone sympathetic, but it may help someone understand.

If, after reading all this, you still decide to use the post above as evidence that I am evil today, ask yourself if you have never disagreed with the moral code you now follow. In all likelihood you did, at some point. If some questions are verboten, and the answer is "how dare you ask that," don't expect your ideological opponents to ever change their minds.
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School tries new approach to discipline — suspensions drop 85%

At my school suspension had increased massively, thanks to a simpler policy that had our administration had gladly decided to follow.

"Detention? too complicated. SUSPENDED! Demerits? Nah. SUSPENDED. Sitting on the desk? SUSPENDED"

And in-school suspension was simply a form of involuntary servitude...

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Fuck you ISS "teachers" (for real, you learn nothing in ISS but how to have a sore body. Might write about that when I leave the world of phones.)

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If only my middle school did that. I blew up at a kid that was harassing me during a test. It was a class rule to not speak during a test unless spoken to. This kid was being a jerk and was poking me with his pencil. I had enough and told the kid to stop. The kid played the goodie-two shoe card and I called shenanigans. I blew up in his face and the teacher scolded me for speaking during a test. I asked her somewhat sarcastically ( I have autism and have a limited grasp of sarcasm) if she had a better way to deal with it. She told me that I should have ignored it. I blew up at the teacher and was almost sent out when I told her that I have had enough with the kid behind me and I want him in a place where I will never see his face again. Kid got sent to ISS immediately and I finished my test just as the bell rang.
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Why the hell did it take them so long to figure out? I suppose it's a good thing but really, no cookies for them.

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stupid article
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Unfortunately, I doubt most schools are going to look at this.

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Worse, theyll claim their the ones who tried the idea first and how the statistics are off and some other load of how "its not technically that always effective at some times mostly"

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Mmm yeh

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