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To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.
I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.
I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.
I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.
I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.
Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.
Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.
-SoulRiser
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Prince Rilian Wrote:I will always criticize schools that people are forced to attend.
And I will criticize the way schooling is usually done, where you are not free to learn, but are doing busy work, doing what another person deems important.
I hope you realize I included the word "usually".
If anyone is being forced to attend those democratic schools, I'm still against them. And also, democracy is evil, because it's tyranny of the majority.
Life is good. Jeta është e mirë.
Die lewe is goed.
Het leven is goed.
Zoidberg: What is it, already? What's the cause of your anger?
Leela: I guess I would have to say, I hate you!
Prince Rilian Wrote:I hope you realize I included the word "usually".
I did.
Prince Rilian Wrote:If anyone is being forced to attend those democratic schools, I'm still against them.
Even though it's still terrible that students are being forced to go to school, it's nice to see that there are some places that give the students a say for once.
Prince Rilian Wrote:And also, democracy is evil, because it's tyranny of the majority.
So the teachers and staff holding all the cards is worse than the students actually having a say in what the school does? In some cases where the public is poorly educated and whatnot, democracy is a bad choice of system. In a school however, it'd be a welcome change, for me at least.
Ceiling Cat Wrote:TDF, please fucking maybe give me money for attending one of those schools before mentioning them. Apparently they cost few hundred a month.
I'm well aware of that. I never said they were perfect. I can't think of anything that is.
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(11-27-2011 01:00 PM)psychopath Wrote:
(11-27-2011 10:52 AM)Efs Wrote: Our Army is more professional than Amerika.
Except ours isn't allowed to have guns
CrayolaColours Wrote:That post owned. TDF wins post of the year.
Faby Wrote:
krissy Wrote:dessert fox
Mmm, flambéed vulpine.
"There is no enemy, there is no victory, only boys who lost their lives in the sand."
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Go think toward our future, with our own two hands MAKING OUR FUTURE, trying to make it something we can be proud of. Something we have dreamed of, OUR dream, our goal, our sanctuary.
schoolfights Wrote:Go think toward our future, with our own two hands MAKING OUR FUTURE, trying to make it something we can be proud of. Something we have dreamed of, OUR dream, our goal, our sanctuary.
Prince Rilian Wrote:I will always criticize schools that people are forced to attend.
And I will criticize the way schooling is usually done, where you are not free to learn, but are doing busy work, doing what another person deems important.
Theres no such thing as a 'good' school: only ones that are less bad.
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
Prince Rilian Wrote:I will always criticize schools that people are forced to attend.
And I will criticize the way schooling is usually done, where you are not free to learn, but are doing busy work, doing what another person deems important.
Theres no such thing as a 'good' school: only ones that are less bad.
That all depends on the person going through it. I personally agree with you on that one, but hey, this site is all about welcoming people who have different opinions.
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(11-27-2011 01:00 PM)psychopath Wrote:
(11-27-2011 10:52 AM)Efs Wrote: Our Army is more professional than Amerika.
Except ours isn't allowed to have guns
CrayolaColours Wrote:That post owned. TDF wins post of the year.
Faby Wrote:
krissy Wrote:dessert fox
Mmm, flambéed vulpine.
"There is no enemy, there is no victory, only boys who lost their lives in the sand."
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BaronVonStrangle Wrote:NONSENSE WE SHIT ON ALL PRO-SCHOOLERS AND WILL FIRE OUR COMMUNISM RAYS AT SOCIETY BECAUSE IT IS A COLLECTIVE ENTITY MADE OUT OF FIRE AND SHIT
...your signature scares me. O.O T.T
An it Harm None, Do What Ye Will
An it Harm, Do Only What Ye Must
Lighten up! This life was made for experimenting, making mistakes, falling on our faces, and standing up to do it all over again.
Live for Learning.
Carla Franklin may be a whore. She may be a wonderful, kind, moral woman. Seeing as I don't know her personally, I cannot know for sure. However, I find her actions (suing Google, requesting the personal info of her critics, getting angry over random internet idiocy that she should ignore and be bigger than, trying to get this site in trouble because of a few users' commentary on the situation, etc.) pretty ridiculous and unwarranted. If she didn't want people to to be talking about/judging her, well 1. that's impossible, she's a human, and 2. she shouldn't have been a model or agreed to be on film. AND 3. she DEFINITELY shouldn't have sued Google and made all this fuss over a few random idiots whom she probably won't ever know expressing their opinion. Mmkay? MMKAY.
NowhereWoman, you don't realize the stupidity of your post. I can't believe you would come to this kind of conclusion. I, for one, will not stand for you making up this kind of stuff. School is serious business and I will not be told otherwise. What you don't seem to realize is that rebellion is the very foundation on what this country was built on. We are taught teamwork, sportsmanship, and balance through fighting the power. Without all of this, our society and humanity as we know it would fall.
I'm glad to be part of such a unique empire and I will fight to the death for it. It's in my spiritual being to come to the aid of those who need it. To be questioned is to be dishonored and you should know that by now. We are all insignificant in this universe, and if nothing matters that means that everything matters. An example of my understanding can be seen in the book "Go, Dog. Go!" When the dog hits the red light, he stops. This can be compared to many things in modern-day life, such as when you get your girlfriend pregnant because you forgot to wrap it, or when you decide your kid is too ugly to keep. Everything gets better, however, when you hit that green light, and it's smooth sailing ahead.
Some people do not make it to this green light and eventually take their own life. I am saying it is not the right thing to do; stick with what is hard and you will be rewarded in the end. No matter how hard life is or how bad your love life is, what you can do is all you can do, and that's all that matters from a realistic standpoint.
BobManPerson Wrote:NowhereWoman, you don't realize the stupidity of your post. I can't believe you would come to this kind of conclusion. I, for one, will not stand for you making up this kind of stuff. School is serious business and I will not be told otherwise. What you don't seem to realize is that rebellion is the very foundation on what this country was built on. We are taught teamwork, sportsmanship, and balance through fighting the power. Without all of this, our society and humanity as we know it would fall.
I'm glad to be part of such a unique empire and I will fight to the death for it. It's in my spiritual being to come to the aid of those who need it. To be questioned is to be dishonored and you should know that by now. We are all insignificant in this universe, and if nothing matters that means that everything matters. An example of my understanding can be seen in the book "Go, Dog. Go!" When the dog hits the red light, he stops. This can be compared to many things in modern-day life, such as when you get your girlfriend pregnant because you forgot to wrap it, or when you decide your kid is too ugly to keep. Everything gets better, however, when you hit that green light, and it's smooth sailing ahead.
Some people do not make it to this green light and eventually take their own life. I am saying it is not the right thing to do; stick with what is hard and you will be rewarded in the end. No matter how hard life is or how bad your love life is, what you can do is all you can do, and that's all that matters from a realistic standpoint.
Wait...can you link me to the comment you're addressing? I said maybe ten words in this thread, both of them jokingly.
I'm....puzzled. Are we in the wrong thread???
In any case, I agree, but if I had to respond, I'd just say that we can't let ourselves down a slippery slope of violence, anger, and self-righteousness. We always have to check ourselves lest we get the independence and power we feel we deserve and then abuse it.
But I don't even know if I'm responding to the right comment. O.o
An it Harm None, Do What Ye Will
An it Harm, Do Only What Ye Must
Lighten up! This life was made for experimenting, making mistakes, falling on our faces, and standing up to do it all over again.
Live for Learning.
Carla Franklin may be a whore. She may be a wonderful, kind, moral woman. Seeing as I don't know her personally, I cannot know for sure. However, I find her actions (suing Google, requesting the personal info of her critics, getting angry over random internet idiocy that she should ignore and be bigger than, trying to get this site in trouble because of a few users' commentary on the situation, etc.) pretty ridiculous and unwarranted. If she didn't want people to to be talking about/judging her, well 1. that's impossible, she's a human, and 2. she shouldn't have been a model or agreed to be on film. AND 3. she DEFINITELY shouldn't have sued Google and made all this fuss over a few random idiots whom she probably won't ever know expressing their opinion. Mmkay? MMKAY.
BobManPerson Wrote:NowhereWoman, you don't realize the stupidity of your post. I can't believe you would come to this kind of conclusion. I, for one, will not stand for you making up this kind of stuff. School is serious business and I will not be told otherwise. What you don't seem to realize is that rebellion is the very foundation on what this country was built on. We are taught teamwork, sportsmanship, and balance through fighting the power. Without all of this, our society and humanity as we know it would fall.
I'm glad to be part of such a unique empire and I will fight to the death for it. It's in my spiritual being to come to the aid of those who need it. To be questioned is to be dishonored and you should know that by now. We are all insignificant in this universe, and if nothing matters that means that everything matters. An example of my understanding can be seen in the book "Go, Dog. Go!" When the dog hits the red light, he stops. This can be compared to many things in modern-day life, such as when you get your girlfriend pregnant because you forgot to wrap it, or when you decide your kid is too ugly to keep. Everything gets better, however, when you hit that green light, and it's smooth sailing ahead.
Some people do not make it to this green light and eventually take their own life. I am saying it is not the right thing to do; stick with what is hard and you will be rewarded in the end. No matter how hard life is or how bad your love life is, what you can do is all you can do, and that's all that matters from a realistic standpoint.
Wait...can you link me to the comment you're addressing? I said maybe ten words in this thread, both of them jokingly.
I'm....puzzled. Are we in the wrong thread???
In any case, I agree, but if I had to respond, I'd just say that we can't let ourselves down a slippery slope of violence, anger, and self-righteousness. We always have to check ourselves lest we get the independence and power we feel we deserve and then abuse it.
But I don't even know if I'm responding to the right comment. O.o
Don't take it seriously, its just copypasta.
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
BobManPerson Wrote:NowhereWoman, you don't realize the stupidity of your post. I can't believe you would come to this kind of conclusion. I, for one, will not stand for you making up this kind of stuff. School is serious business and I will not be told otherwise. What you don't seem to realize is that rebellion is the very foundation on what this country was built on. We are taught teamwork, sportsmanship, and balance through fighting the power. Without all of this, our society and humanity as we know it would fall.
I'm glad to be part of such a unique empire and I will fight to the death for it. It's in my spiritual being to come to the aid of those who need it. To be questioned is to be dishonored and you should know that by now. We are all insignificant in this universe, and if nothing matters that means that everything matters. An example of my understanding can be seen in the book "Go, Dog. Go!" When the dog hits the red light, he stops. This can be compared to many things in modern-day life, such as when you get your girlfriend pregnant because you forgot to wrap it, or when you decide your kid is too ugly to keep. Everything gets better, however, when you hit that green light, and it's smooth sailing ahead.
Some people do not make it to this green light and eventually take their own life. I am saying it is not the right thing to do; stick with what is hard and you will be rewarded in the end. No matter how hard life is or how bad your love life is, what you can do is all you can do, and that's all that matters from a realistic standpoint.
Wait...can you link me to the comment you're addressing? I said maybe ten words in this thread, both of them jokingly.
I'm....puzzled. Are we in the wrong thread???
In any case, I agree, but if I had to respond, I'd just say that we can't let ourselves down a slippery slope of violence, anger, and self-righteousness. We always have to check ourselves lest we get the independence and power we feel we deserve and then abuse it.
But I don't even know if I'm responding to the right comment. O.o
Don't take it seriously, its just copypasta.
Oh.
An it Harm None, Do What Ye Will
An it Harm, Do Only What Ye Must
Lighten up! This life was made for experimenting, making mistakes, falling on our faces, and standing up to do it all over again.
Live for Learning.
Carla Franklin may be a whore. She may be a wonderful, kind, moral woman. Seeing as I don't know her personally, I cannot know for sure. However, I find her actions (suing Google, requesting the personal info of her critics, getting angry over random internet idiocy that she should ignore and be bigger than, trying to get this site in trouble because of a few users' commentary on the situation, etc.) pretty ridiculous and unwarranted. If she didn't want people to to be talking about/judging her, well 1. that's impossible, she's a human, and 2. she shouldn't have been a model or agreed to be on film. AND 3. she DEFINITELY shouldn't have sued Google and made all this fuss over a few random idiots whom she probably won't ever know expressing their opinion. Mmkay? MMKAY.
12-27-2010 08:07 AM
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The Desert Fox Wrote:To not just criticize school at every turn you get. Some schools are good, some teachers do make classes interesting.
And that goes for you pro-schoolers as well. Just because we have a different idea of learning doesn't mean we're "troubled" or we need "therapy", or anything. Give us a chance to try our way, to try having freedom in terms of education.
Also for us. When Killjoy came around, it was a good debate, but in my opinion, we were a bit too extreme. We talk about people not forcing opinions, yet we were a little forcing ourselves.
May seem like an elementary thread, but I just thought I'd remind us.
I somewhat agree. However, I have yet to find a teacher that is AMAZING. Yes there is the possibility, yes their might be some great teachers out there. But I have yet to meet them. I can't compare my school to another because it's the only one I've been too. But, I criticize school at every chance I get. For the pain it causes me, I will ATTACK at EVERYTHING THEY DO WRONG. Call me a whiny little shit, but why should I listen to them (teachers, politicians etc. the "elite") when they don't listen to me?
I agree that we shouldn't blame EVERY teacher or be destructive and burn down schools etc. But I am just so damn angry. Every day I'm either depressed and sad, or ANGRY AS HELL. I'm a calm kid though in general, pretty laid back. If a teacher asks me to do something nicely, I'll do it. And I'll have my manners, and my bright smile, and be friendly. But when they overload with homework, or make me do something stupid, oh does my blood boil.
(01-10-2012 02:15 PM)Maelstrom Wrote: Efs, your nihilism is beautiful.
06-01-2011 10:48 PM
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(10-01-2009 10:51 AM)The Desert Fox Wrote: To not just criticize school at every turn you get. Some schools are good, some teachers do make classes interesting.
And that goes for you pro-schoolers as well. Just because we have a different idea of learning doesn't mean we're "troubled" or we need "therapy", or anything. Give us a chance to try our way, to try having freedom in terms of education.
Also for us. When Killjoy came around, it was a good debate, but in my opinion, we were a bit too extreme. We talk about people not forcing opinions, yet we were a little forcing ourselves.
May seem like an elementary thread, but I just thought I'd remind us.
Bumping this thread because this post is true. Looking back I had some amazing teachers who saved me from mediocrity.
Doesn't excuse the rest of the crap in the system, but I still like this post.
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