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Please, everyone reply to this "Don't Stay in School" response comment
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Please, everyone reply to this "Don't Stay in School" response comment

The comment (as Brendan Storming, scroll to below the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJIu7pE0...5ivf50t40k

I wrote:

Quote:+Boyinaband Re: "I think we need to fix school, rather than stop going to it"

I commented before, and I've replied to a number of comments here, but I re-watched the video, and this is one thing that jumped out at me to discuss further.

I agree, school needs to change. But, at the same time, many are stuck going to the "factory model," one-size-fits-all schools that were conceived of in the late 1800's, for a different era. And, there are ways of doing education beyond that, and beyond many forms of homeschooling, which many parents won't go for, or implement as copies of the same school-as-usual paradigm.

In short, the answer is both. We need to change how school works, but for those who are truly unhappy in school now, help them find paths out. That can take on many forms beyond the common idea of quitting school, where a person does nothing instead.

There are many paths to success in life, but just "staying in school" or "dropping out" aren't always enough.

Hate comments aside, there's the question of what the many current young people around the world can do, whether they're stuck in school, or they can find a way out. All of the basic content of school is available for free online, as are explanations of the many topics not covered in traditional school curriculum.

But, all of that doesn't give all young people the tools to figure out life. The question I see is, what can we do about that?

That's something to discuss... and there are many ideas on what to do, like on Peter Gray's site alternativestoschool.com -- AERO's site educationrevolution.org, the project I'm working on, catalystlearning.net, the support site for those who hate school, school-survival.net -- and many other places. But all of those resources leave many people stuck in school-as-usual, even with resources like Khan Academy, Crash Course, various college-level MOOCs, resources like http://Lynda.com and http://Creativelive.com

So, the question I see is, what can be done to introduce more people to the resources and options that are out there -- as well as working to change existing schools, which are often so resistant to change.

Any thoughts on that?

Yes, it's a bit wall-of-texty... but I think what I explained is important. One of the problem with YouTube comments on a video like this is that there are so many, they easily get drowned in the flow of new ones -- many of which are repetitive and aren't hitting on this point about alternatives and the people who are stuck in school now.

I know several of you have already commented on the video, but if everyone from here could reply to my comment, say something about your experience in school, and how much you'd like an alternative, it could help raise awareness of these topics in the next follow-up video.

It wouldn't hurt to mention School Survival, either.

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RE: Please, everyone reply to this "Don't Stay in School" response comment

(02-25-2015 01:20 AM)xcriteria Wrote:  The comment (as Brendan Storming, scroll to below the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJIu7pE0...5ivf50t40k

I wrote:

Quote:+Boyinaband Re: "I think we need to fix school, rather than stop going to it"

I commented before, and I've replied to a number of comments here, but I re-watched the video, and this is one thing that jumped out at me to discuss further.

I agree, school needs to change. But, at the same time, many are stuck going to the "factory model," one-size-fits-all schools that were conceived of in the late 1800's, for a different era. And, there are ways of doing education beyond that, and beyond many forms of homeschooling, which many parents won't go for, or implement as copies of the same school-as-usual paradigm.

In short, the answer is both. We need to change how school works, but for those who are truly unhappy in school now, help them find paths out. That can take on many forms beyond the common idea of quitting school, where a person does nothing instead.

There are many paths to success in life, but just "staying in school" or "dropping out" aren't always enough.

Hate comments aside, there's the question of what the many current young people around the world can do, whether they're stuck in school, or they can find a way out. All of the basic content of school is available for free online, as are explanations of the many topics not covered in traditional school curriculum.

But, all of that doesn't give all young people the tools to figure out life. The question I see is, what can we do about that?

That's something to discuss... and there are many ideas on what to do, like on Peter Gray's site alternativestoschool.com -- AERO's site educationrevolution.org, the project I'm working on, catalystlearning.net, the support site for those who hate school, school-survival.net -- and many other places. But all of those resources leave many people stuck in school-as-usual, even with resources like Khan Academy, Crash Course, various college-level MOOCs, resources like http://Lynda.com and http://Creativelive.com

So, the question I see is, what can be done to introduce more people to the resources and options that are out there -- as well as working to change existing schools, which are often so resistant to change.

Any thoughts on that?

Yes, it's a bit wall-of-texty... but I think what I explained is important. One of the problem with YouTube comments on a video like this is that there are so many, they easily get drowned in the flow of new ones -- many of which are repetitive and aren't hitting on this point about alternatives and the people who are stuck in school now.

I know several of you have already commented on the video, but if everyone from here could reply to my comment, say something about your experience in school, and how much you'd like an alternative, it could help raise awareness of these topics in the next follow-up video.

It wouldn't hurt to mention School Survival, either.

Thanks!
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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.

Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman

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