Rape Discussion Thread

[I Must Enter a Username]

There was a thread around here about "stare rape" a while ago and I suddenly remembered that I was interested in looking for the opinion that the so-called "fempire" has on this thing, so I did a bit of searching and found this surprisingly recent comment:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/c..._a/cig0iuz

There also seems to be a thread on democraticunderground about this "stare rape" but I haven't read through it yet.

Also, there was some pretty interesting discussion on a "who's the rapist" question on revleft.

Quote:I am curious to know the Feminist position on this situation


A man and a woman, both drunk beyond the point of consent, have sex.

Who is the rapist? Neither of them? Both of them? Just the man?


If the answer is 'just the man', how to you justify that without resorting to sexist gender stereotypes?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/genuine-questi...l?t=189294

[I Must Enter a Username]

(06-26-2014 10:12 AM)I Must Enter a Username Wrote:  Also, there was some pretty interesting discussion on a "who's the rapist" question on revleft.

Quote:I am curious to know the Feminist position on this situation


A man and a woman, both drunk beyond the point of consent, have sex.

Who is the rapist? Neither of them? Both of them? Just the man?


If the answer is 'just the man', how to you justify that without resorting to sexist gender stereotypes?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/genuine-questi...l?t=189294

On the same thread:
Someone poorly answered with

Quote:The woman cannot be the rapist. Have you ever heard of a woman raping someone? I haven't.

Interestingly two users replied to this with:

Quote:Of course women can be rapists. Isn't rape the act of performing sexual intercourse without clear consent?

Then again, needless to say women are in most cases victims rather than the perpetrators.

and

Rosa Partizan;2761565 Wrote:Women can be rapists. This happens quite rarely, but it DOES happen.

[TW] [sexual violence]

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However, discussions about women being rapists are mostly led and instrumentalized by MRAs and other dickheads that whine about "women can be bad, too, look, look!!", so the vast amount of these discussions is pointless to lead, being opened just with the goal do belittle male violence, that is by far the biggest problem in society. "Funny" thing about that is that those MRAs that have these discussions are the ones that tend to jokes like "so he got raped by a woman when he was 13? Lucky bastard!/MILF hunter!" Curiously, I just had this discussion with Ace Steel or loonyleftist, not sure anymore. I think in such a case, nobody is the rapist, lest one side deliberately intoxicated the other to make sure they wouldn't be able to give aware consent. I would rather call such a thing "shit happens".

[thewake]

Drunken sex is not rape. It never has been, and it never will be. Drunk women can give consent for sex. If they can be held accountable for driving under the influence, they can fuck. People have fucked drunk since time immemorial. It's a common practice. If a woman consented, the only person she has to blame for regretting it the next morning is herself. If the feminist says the woman is not culpable for drunk sex, while the man is, she's effectively making a woman a protected class of citizen and letting women play by different rules. This is why feminism isn't bout equality, and hasn't been for quite some time.

The SJW feminist agenda has the effect of criminalizing manhood, and they'll stop at nothing to brand everything a man does as rape. They start with drunk sex (and the man is the rapist, never the woman!) and continue to vilifying easy targets like MRAs and bronies. The net effect is to create a sphere of privilege for themselves, all while crying about a patriarchy that simply doesn't exist to any measurable degree in modern, Western societies. If these people get their way, your average heterosexual white person (usually men, but also conservative women) will have to walk on eggshells to not commit infractions against the feminist dogma.

I'm for equality within the law, but I'm not for feminism. I'm for women's rights, so long as they're equal to men's rights. I'm not personally against gays, or trans people (although I firmly support the right of others with different views to not associate with anyone they don't want to, including when doing business). I'm against this virus-like SJW victim complex that causes feminists to demonize people who are different from them simply because these people are male, white, heterosexual, and feel comfortable identifying with the gender that matches their genitalia.

[no]

Shall I just say that I hate both "feminists" and "MRAs." Both are based on us-vs-them mentalities and will never achieve true progress -- only some kind of shitty tug of war.

That is all.

[brainiac3397]

If you have sex drunk, then the consequence is remembering it happen the next morning.

Thus logic dictates, one must drink so much as so not to remember ever having sex.

Yet does amensiatic drunkedness make good sex?

[HighSchoolFailure1337]

If I'm 15 would it still be appropriate for me to have a say in things here?

[Rebag102]

I don't think I should be here if I'm 12

[brainiac3397]

There's no age limit for speech.

[TheShadow]

I'm going to be honest here... Drunk sex is not always rape. You can still consent. And before someone says: "She was drunk, she can't be held accountable..."

Why did you drink so much in the first place? I mean if you know the consequences then why did you take the risk? You're responsible for getting drunk. It was your choice. Of course rape is horrible. And if you're so drunk that you can't remember anything at all, I think that it's rape.

Can't think of anything else... But dayum this is a touchy subject

[thewake]

If she fucking passed out and people screw her then it's obviously rape, but if you're awake enough to willingly participate or say "yes" then you're awake enough to consent.

[SoulRiser]

Meh, I find it hard to have sympathy for people who willingly get themselves drunk beyond all recognition, and then complain about stuff that happened to them while they were in that state.

Different story if they were drugged, though... but then that's obviously an attempt at rape.

[Rule_BreakerXVIII]

The term stare rape is interesting...reminds me of this. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1023053

The one I linked to above is an extreme case..I am used to this shit. I had to get used to it, facing the stares and looks since I was a kid. You have to practice constant vigilance to ensure that you do not see any red flags, so to speak, and not to mention the common sense- not walking around alone in dangerous areas, being on alert for stalkers, carrying knives around...

Rape is rape when a) The victim is not aware about the implications of sex or physical intimacy (eg., pedophilia, or bestiality) and b) The victim is not in a position to give clear, informed consent(date rape, roofies) c) The victim refuses, but the perpetrator forces himself/herself on the victim anyway.

Drunk sex can't really be called rape unless the victim refuses. One has to take responsibility for their behavior while drunk, I don't see why drunk sex should be an exception.

Don't think women can rape men? http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/h...-1.1675751

http://www.askmen.com/dating/love_tip_38...women.html

Women can use drugs too. Rape is not confined to any gender.

[I Must Enter a Username]

"The SJW feminist agenda has the effect of criminalizing manhood, and they'll stop at nothing to brand everything a man does as rape."
"the man is the rapist, never the woman!"

I hardly ever see "feminism" like this even from revleft (and when something almost like that happens like in the first response to that thread, it becomes clearly rejected by the rest of the community), so I'm interested in what places you browse to see this stuff (preferably no MRA sites referencing tumblr blogs with a sketchy collection of "I need feminism because..." images with almost no reliable provided context, I would prefer the "source itself" meaning those various SRS subreddits since it's apparently been considered some ultimate pillar of "misandric" discussion or whatever by opposing subreddits).

Somewhat related, there was a former MRA who made a pretty interesting post on RL on why he became an MRA in the first place, I'll share it in a bit.

[thewake]

I know a guy who graduated with me who has been indoctrinated into the SJW mindset. He's gay and I assume majoring in something useless like sociology or women's studies. He told me, and I'm paraphrasing, "I hate white men. They get everything they have because of white privilege."

[School]

(06-26-2014 10:06 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Meh, I find it hard to have sympathy for people who willingly get themselves drunk beyond all recognition, and then complain about stuff that happened to them while they were in that state.

Different story if they were drugged, though... but then that's obviously an attempt at rape.

Usually, you have to get incredibly drunk to not remember anything that happened. On a few occasions I drank until I threw up but I've never blacked out. Even when I drank so much I barfed and the world was one big swirl, I still had ability to think and do certain things to maintain my safety when I got kicked out of the bar for throwing up hahaha

The only time "drunk sex" is rape is when one party is blacked out or drifting in and out of consciousness. Remember, consent isn't a one time thing, it can be withdrawn, even with your dick in her (or your vagina devouring his dick) and no matter how annoying you must stop having sex.

This is rape to me: sex against the will of another, sex without obtaining the consent of another, sex where "consent" was gained after a threat or blackmail, and sex that continues after the withdrawal of consent. Sexual assault is the same except it is for none penetrative sex acts. That is my only criteria for what is (or what should be) rape/sexual assault.