School IS Communist

[KFC Nyan Cat]

I thought about it: school IS a communism. You comply to the rules and if you don't like them, too bad. You do what THEY want you to do. That's the basic framework of communism. There's very little chance of you changing the rules to get more rights.

This is what the idea of communism is. They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing. The reality is that nobody's equal, they just make it look that way.

[Chanku]

Depends on the type of Communism, although I'm assuming that you mean communism as it was written by Marx. While it has similarities to Communism it isn't for a few reasons:

• Under Communism everyone is supposed to have the same property. In school there is a small notion of private property.
• Under Communism there is supposed to be no classes, which there are classes of sorts in School
  

It's more of a Dictatorship with bits of Bureaucracy.

Edit: also the title is wrong, school can't be communism because communism is an economic structure(and somewhat of a political structure), it should be School is Communist.

[Ky]

No wonder I hate communism.

I'm sure it's not as simple as that, but you do have a good point.

[Trar]

I figured communism as Marx wrote it was about putting the means of production in the hands of the workers, and guaranteeing an equal amount of prosperity for all. AFAIK, KFC's definition is closer to Stalin's USSR than Marxism.

Of course, I am Obama. You can expect the Marxist communist fascist takeover of American Freedom very soon.

[Alistoriv]

School is more Stalinist than Communist.
School can't be Communist because the teachers are a higher class than the students.

[brainiac3397]

I disagree with the title of this thread.

Can I kill it with the fire of the proletariat heart?

[no]

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  The reality is that nobody's equal, they just make it look that way.

But if nobody's equal, aren't they all equally unequal?

"Equal" is a strange word to apply to humans, and I've tried to avoid using it. For example, by most definitions, "equal" refers to two things that are exactly identical. Is a society in which everyone is identical really a good one? (It's also biologically impossible.)

Most people who are for "equality" in society are also for "diversity" which are, by this definition, mutually exclusive.

In programming (which I've been mucking about with a bit lately) the definition of equality is even stricter: the two objects being compared have to be literally the same thing. (well, it varies for things like strings and lists. I'm trying to make a point here. Shhhh.) Even identical copies won't register as "equal" and you often have to set up a relatively complicated system that determines if they are "equivalent."

There's my random stupidity of the day.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

(04-06-2014 08:24 AM)DoA Wrote:  No wonder I hate communism.

I'm sure it's not as simple as that, but you do have a good point.

Of course it's not as simple as that. I can't write deep threads like, say, xcriteria because I don't read much anti-school material and I only know the basics of politics. I like drawing, making comics, and programming, politics is not interesting to me. I actually am starting to hate politics.

[brainiac3397]

Calling communism to be an idea of "equal equality" is like calling a democracy to be of "equal say".

As in...we must think of an idea not as the idea in theory but as the idea in reality. Like in business, an idea is only as good as the effort you put in to bringing it to life. It won't come out the perfect way you envisioned, but that be reality.

[154bmag]

If school was communist, it would be an improvement.

[I Must Enter a Username]

Damn it, you figured us all out. We were going to secure our secret KGB-FBI network to propagandize our youth to establish the society as envisioned by Plato, Mohammed, Marx, Engels, Wilson, Lenin, Stalin, FDR, Hitler, Mao, Kim Il-sung/Kim Jong-il, Hoxha, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Bill Clinton, and Obama. We would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

[Alistoriv]

(04-06-2014 11:56 AM)no Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  The reality is that nobody's equal, they just make it look that way.

But if nobody's equal, aren't they all equally unequal?

"Equal" is a strange word to apply to humans, and I've tried to avoid using it. For example, by most definitions, "equal" refers to two things that are exactly identical. Is a society in which everyone is identical really a good one? (It's also biologically impossible.)

Most people who are for "equality" in society are also for "diversity" which are, by this definition, mutually exclusive.

In programming (which I've been mucking about with a bit lately) the definition of equality is even stricter: the two objects being compared have to be literally the same thing. (well, it varies for things like strings and lists. I'm trying to make a point here. Shhhh.) Even identical copies won't register as "equal" and you often have to set up a relatively complicated system that determines if they are "equivalent."

There's my random stupidity of the day.

The short story "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut is a prime example of this.

[Gae1995]

I am Italian and even here the school is as you say.

We have to do the same programs during the same period of time. To have better notes is not always better. In my case, for example, I prefere to have a lower final mark but different knowledges wanted by the people I will work for.

In Italy the marks are from 1 to 10 (6 is the minimum mark to have a sufficient knowledge). With my teacher the maximum mark is 8/9 (it depends by the teacher) and, in my case, I have to study about 1h per day to take a 7 and 4/5h per day to take an 8. I prefere to take a 7 and to use the other 3/4 hours to improve my English and French or to do something else useful.

In my opinion there wouldn't be nothing to do better than study for school If there's something better something is wrong with school.

[SeReNiTY]

I may be wrong, but that sounds more like fascism or totalitarianism than communism. If you want we can examine the facts and we can find the true political ideals of public schools. Like I said, I may be wrong and I frequently am, so lets sit down in IRC or PM and we'll discuss the facts.

[no]

^Basically this. For example this part:

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing.

describes the US very well, but the US is clearly not communist.

[brainiac3397]

Political Ideology of School= Stupidism(aka Moronism)

/thread

Few real communist countries todat. Very few. However the left technically won since socialism is becoming more commonplace as population increases and the people start requiring the assisstance of government where once they could rely on private means.

I think in the end, capitalism is incapable of maintaining a healthy balance as the entire aspect of the idea is for the few to gain more and more at the suffering of the many. In the end, the many lose their value and become forced to rely on government aid.

And capitalists dont care about national stability either. American companies will gladly outsource and pay taxes to other nations if it means they make more money. The people who companies care about are only consumers, and if you are not a consumer you are either cheap labor or a burden on the state.

Regardless of what history books teach us, Capitalism is an evil idea beyond anything else. It's foundation is one set upon greed and exploitation. It cares not for country, society or man. We uphold capitalism in the US, yet in a short amount of time, capitalism has killed many, destabilized entire governments and manipulated society/culture for theories that care not for anything but the few wealthy individuals who gain from these actions. All other ideas espouse the integration of society and ways to benefit all those within it. Capitalism only teaches to exploit and manipulate it.

It's only a matter of time before capitalism begins to crumble as the gap between wealthy and not expands, as corporations begin to do more harm, and as culture begins it's final stage of decay. The germans destroyed Rome, The corporations will destroy America.

We are now just fools. Panem Et Circenses. TV, Radio, Film. Music is crap, Movies are crap, Shows are crap, but we spend so much time on them and those in them. Realize that entertainment was what Rome used to keep it's starving populace duped and distracted while their empire slowly died around them.

[timf]

Communism was supposed to collectivize property by banning individual ownership.

Socialism is supposed to allow individual ownership of but regulates what you are allowed to do with your property.

Ownership without control is not much of a boon.

In practice both are pretty much the same and qualify as collectivism.

Capitalism and capital formation are essentially economic collectivism.

Collectivism is portrayed in differing degrees as utopian, pragmatic, necessary, and even beneficial.

To understand collectivism, you have to understand the motive of people who run the collective and what their requirements are of you.

The Southern agricultural collective in 1840. You are a slave and will get food and someplace to stay out of the rain as long as you work.

The corporate collective of 1980. You are an employee and will get a cubicle as long as you are productive or until you are not needed.

The school of present day. You are a component on an assembly line and are being fashioned to comply with the needs of of the state (become a compliant worker).

One might argue about semantics and word definitions, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, one might legitimately call it a communist duck.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

(04-07-2014 01:00 PM)no Wrote:  ^Basically this. For example this part:

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing.

describes the US very well, but the US is clearly not communist.

Actually, the US in my opinion is becoming more communist by the month.

[brainiac3397]

(04-08-2014 10:35 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 01:00 PM)no Wrote:  ^Basically this. For example this part:

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing.

describes the US very well, but the US is clearly not communist.

Actually, the US in my opinion is becoming more communist by the month.

Oops. That'd be my fault. I keep bumping the slider to the left...

[Chanku]

(04-08-2014 10:35 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 01:00 PM)no Wrote:  ^Basically this. For example this part:

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing.

describes the US very well, but the US is clearly not communist.

Actually, the US in my opinion is becoming more communist by the month.

There is a difference between Communism and Socialism. Socialism is something that works rather well if done correctly, and that's what the US is becoming.

[brainiac3397]

And soon the left shall celebrate their victory!

[I Must Enter a Username]

(04-08-2014 12:25 PM)Chanku Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 10:35 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 01:00 PM)no Wrote:  ^Basically this. For example this part:

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing.

describes the US very well, but the US is clearly not communist.

Actually, the US in my opinion is becoming more communist by the month.

There is a difference between Communism and Socialism. Socialism is something that works rather well if done correctly, and that's what the US is becoming.

You mean social democracy, which is what most western and northen European countries are.

[brainiac3397]

According to cold war logic, the involvement of the word social denotes extreme Stalinist radicalism and Uber-Marxism

[Chanku]

(04-09-2014 05:04 AM)I Must Enter a Username Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 12:25 PM)Chanku Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 10:35 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 01:00 PM)no Wrote:  ^Basically this. For example this part:

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing.

describes the US very well, but the US is clearly not communist.

Actually, the US in my opinion is becoming more communist by the month.

There is a difference between Communism and Socialism. Socialism is something that works rather well if done correctly, and that's what the US is becoming.

You mean social democracy, which is what most western and northen European countries are.

No Socialism allows Democracy, Socialism is more economical from my point of view and my understanding, while it has some politics the ruling form can be Democracy. Western and Norther European countries are Capitalist-Socialist, meaning they have some socialism and some Capitalism.

[Ky]

Maybe I should start advising people not to begin political conversations; they can become quite confusing. (Although, as a forum, we're fairly good about not letting our ideals divide us.)

[Alistoriv]

(04-08-2014 10:35 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 01:00 PM)no Wrote:  ^Basically this. For example this part:

(04-06-2014 08:16 AM)kfcnyancat Wrote:  They give you the illusion that everyone's equal by making everyone comply to the same thing.

describes the US very well, but the US is clearly not communist.

Actually, the US in my opinion is becoming more communist by the month.

You obviously no nothing about politics and it would be great if you stopped offering your opinion on it.

[brainiac3397]

(04-09-2014 09:22 AM)DoA Wrote:  Maybe I should start advising people not to begin political conversations; they can become quite confusing. (Although, as a forum, we're fairly good about not letting our ideals divide us.)

Screw you totalitarian demon!

I QUIT DIS FORUM CUZ YOU ALL DUMB POLITICAL CAPITALISM IS BEST DEMOCRACY MURIKA LONG LIVE USA USA USA!

Politics is not for the faint of heart, though the dumb,stupid and ignorant are there in abundance for the most part.

[Ky]

(04-09-2014 09:34 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  You obviously no nothing about politics and it would be great if you stopped offering your opinion on it.

See, this is the kind of thing we want to avoid.

[KFC Nyan Cat]

(04-10-2014 06:19 AM)DoA Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 09:34 AM)Alistoriv Wrote:  You obviously no nothing about politics and it would be great if you stopped offering your opinion on it.

See, this is the kind of thing we want to avoid.

AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T REPLY TO HIM!

[Trar]

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