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School Counseling:The Great Conspiracy
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School Counseling:The Great Conspiracy

Guidance counselor, school counselor, academic advisor are some of the few names we refer to these folk by. But, what is their purpose for "guiding"? Is it really for your benefit, or more for the benefit for the school. These "advisors" could be nothing more than the middle-man spy who gets cozy with students and subtlety pushes the agenda of the school upon you.

Reliance, dependence, relationship are all exploited. You get taught to need a counselor. You must speak with an "intelligent adult" because you don't know what you're doing. You must explain your plans so they can shred them. You must explain your goals so they may change them. You must tell them what you're doing so they can tell you to stop.

Such people are the worst. Regardless of whether it's out of a hidden agenda or out of good will, they do nothing but harm. How can they know what they can't? Do they see with your eyes, feel with your nerves, think with your mind, hear with your ears? Are your parents theirs'? Did they live your life? Did they experience you experiences and have your dreams?

And a great tactic they use, the power of suggestion. "Why don't you?" or "Wouldn't you be better off" or "You don't want to be". Like snakes, they slither. Their size might be meaningless but the poison in their teeth is deadly. One bite and it's over.

If you can't trust your school to teach you, how can you trust one who works for schools to tell you how to live your life, tell you what's best? Regardless for what they say, a guidance counselor is nothing more than a mere man(not meant gender/sex wise). He's flesh and blood. He isn't God. He isn't an oracle, a genie, a wizard, an angel or oracle. His life probably needs more guidance than your academics...for how can one fall so far to justify monumentally affecting another's life for a good cause? How can they, with pride, boast of their abilities to take advantage of confused youth?

Yes. Advisors exist. Counselors exist. But unlike school, the advisor is beneath the one being advised. The "client" is in charge. The client decides what he shall do, what he shall think, what he shall believe. But in school, the counselor wields the power. This is a twisting of natural order. The one who seeks advise, is not bound to follow it. The one who gives advise, is powerless to force it.

I am disgusted once more. Noo

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Fuck bro. Thats so true

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A salesman does it and he's just trying to make a quick buck.
A counselor does it and suddenly it's "OMG PPL IN SKOOL R NICE" because obviously schools are magically enchanted wonderlands where no ebul roams and fairies shit gold.

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My therapist does not work for the school but, she still pushes the school agenda on me.

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Well they either work for school or are like "school-sympathizers" who don't believe an alternative exists...at least of kids.

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My entire life revolves around school. Noo

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Dang it, where's xcriteria when you need him!

This is why I prefer a therapist outside school, though that might come with its own issues.

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RE: School Counseling:The Great Conspiracy

This thread raises important questions, especially alongside the questions raised by therapists, like crazyguy describes... and parents who focus on behavioral manipulation with "good grades" as the pinnacle of "doing what you're supposed to."

It all adds up to situation that just doesn't meet the needs of so many students.

What can we do to change things?

I think one step is getting everyone possible involved in the question of the purpose(s) of school, as well as specific parts of it, in each student's life.

I shared this post on G+ (link), and encourage all of you to post follow-ups there as well. One of the ways to actually change things is to find allies who are also part of the worlds of education, therapy, and parenting. This requires stepping outside of School Survival and sharing our stories, and also learning more about the stories and interests of those within those worlds.

Only then, will it be possible to establish the credibility to really change things. By getting second, third, and fourth opinions when it comes to "guidance" -- from people who can tolerate their guidance being challenged -- can one really get a good mix of guidance to work with, the way I see it.

Thoughts? How can we find ways to create and offer viable alternatives to traditional forms of "guidance"?

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My guidance counselor mentioned nothing about school, she was a true counselor. She was worried about my life at home.
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Mine does too crazy guy, more around working. Even when during vacations, I'm expected to read scholar books, learn math and be subjected to much servitude. Can't count on parents...
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The guidance counselor I saw in the fifth grade was (at least from my POV) genuinely helpful and kind. She helped me through a year that, while not as burdensome as the ones to follow, was rather tough at times. This was before I really became disillusioned with public school, though.

The guidance counselor in the next two years was more befitting of brainiac's description. I didn't really mind her that much though, because by then I already knew to take them with a grain of salt (like the 1984-esque 2+2=5 in my school agenda book), and I rather enjoyed listening to her stories during study hall.

I also posted in the G+ thread. A book is almost always a good idea, really.
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I love the OP. You have won teh interwebz for today, brainiac. Biggrin

I remember when I was seeing an outside psychologist, she pushed the public school agenda because my parents told her they vehemently opposed homeschooling. During my last year in public school, there was also a school social worker who would even sometimes come to my apartment because I wasn't going to school. She would push the pro-school agenda BS on me, and at one point I even remember her telling me that once you're born in this country you are required to go to school. She was preaching the public school agenda like that was the ONLY option, and I remember my school counselor telling me how homeschooling can cost hundreds and even thousands of $ and that public schooling provides an education for free.

Just a bunch of BS. Rolleyes

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(03-12-2014 04:03 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Guidance counselor, school counselor, academic advisor are some of the few names we refer to these folk by. But, what is their purpose for "guiding"? Is it really for your benefit, or more for the benefit for the school. These "advisors" could be nothing more than the middle-man spy who gets cozy with students and subtlety pushes the agenda of the school upon you.

Reliance, dependence, relationship are all exploited. You get taught to need a counselor. You must speak with an "intelligent adult" because you don't know what you're doing. You must explain your plans so they can shred them. You must explain your goals so they may change them. You must tell them what you're doing so they can tell you to stop.

Such people are the worst. Regardless of whether it's out of a hidden agenda or out of good will, they do nothing but harm. How can they know what they can't? Do they see with your eyes, feel with your nerves, think with your mind, hear with your ears? Are your parents theirs'? Did they live your life? Did they experience you experiences and have your dreams?

And a great tactic they use, the power of suggestion. "Why don't you?" or "Wouldn't you be better off" or "You don't want to be". Like snakes, they slither. Their size might be meaningless but the poison in their teeth is deadly. One bite and it's over.

If you can't trust your school to teach you, how can you trust one who works for schools to tell you how to live your life, tell you what's best? Regardless for what they say, a guidance counselor is nothing more than a mere man(not meant gender/sex wise). He's flesh and blood. He isn't God. He isn't an oracle, a genie, a wizard, an angel or oracle. His life probably needs more guidance than your academics...for how can one fall so far to justify monumentally affecting another's life for a good cause? How can they, with pride, boast of their abilities to take advantage of confused youth?

Yes. Advisors exist. Counselors exist. But unlike school, the advisor is beneath the one being advised. The "client" is in charge. The client decides what he shall do, what he shall think, what he shall believe. But in school, the counselor wields the power. This is a twisting of natural order. The one who seeks advise, is not bound to follow it. The one who gives advise, is powerless to force it.

I am disgusted once more. Noo

In my school Guidance counselor, school counselor, academic advisor are also called Fanta Office because they don't do anything just come and do noting or gossip what other people did once in my school i gave a Matura project to her to see because she was in charge and she told no can do i cannot accept that but then i said to her well my head teacher sent me to bring this project to you and later she said ok and now get out and i don't want to see you here again i left and i later said to teacher is this the most despicable administrator for state matura ever he just laugh i was then angryNoo
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