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How does bankruptcy work?

There's this abandoned house I found, and I'm going to use it for a telecom video I'll eventually be working on for a telecom class I'm taking. I already discussed it with my teacher, and he said he'd like to see my idea happen, but he wants to know if I can get permission first.

I can do that, but the problem is I don't know who to ask.

Here's what I know about the house:

In early 2010, the owners filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy.
Later on (as early as early summer 2010), work was done on the house. The work consisted of dismantling the kitchen and boarding up windows (they did a horrible job and didn't bother to clean up after themselves, leaving tons of debris and trash on the floor).
All work on the house has ceased, and there are no signs of more work being done on the house.
Many of the previous owners' belongings are still inside, with all of them in a messy state of disarray.

So who owns the property? Chapter 7 bankruptcy states that you still own your assets, so do the owners own it? But bankruptcy in general implies that a bank takes over the property, so does the bank own it? Or does the company that did work on it own it? Or is it the government who owns it?
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Re: How does bankruptcy work?

Usually when the owners leave they have a certain amount of time to get their property out before it belongs to the bank or to the one who owns the house.

So I figure its the bank.

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When you file for chapter 7 bankruptcy, it means you're telling your lender, "I'm a poor-ass fuck, I want to be relived of my debt obligations, even if it means you're going to take away the collateral I used for my loan." In this case, the house is the collateral, the bank takes it away from you if you don't meet your debt obligations.

The bank owns the house. I don't know about all the shit they left in there though. I'm guessing that's still the prior owners' belongings.

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Ahh, well, you see this is where you are all wrong. The leprechauns own that property. Its where they go to smoke leprechaun weed and drink thier leprechaun drinks and have leprechaun parties.

If the bank or anyone wants the house back they have to challenge the leprechauns to a game of drunken botche' ball. Why? Becuase leprechauns love botche' ball, they also love drinking. If you can best them at thier game then they accuse you of cheating them and will try to fight you. It is now up to you if you want to puch the wound up drunk guy talking with an irish accent jumping up and down in anger. Noone ever does. Its to funny and noone can ever throw a punch. At this point your friends should have stolen and made off with all the gold.

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道夫 Wrote:When you file for chapter 7 bankruptcy, it means you're telling your lender, "I'm a poor-ass fuck, I want to be relived of my debt obligations, even if it means you're going to take away the collateral I used for my loan." In this case, the house is the collateral, the bank takes it away from you if you don't meet your debt obligations.

The bank owns the house. I don't know about all the shit they left in there though. I'm guessing that's still the prior owners' belongings.
Where can I find out which bank owns the house?
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I would imagine that you can't, as you have nothing to do with the house.

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Go to the county property appraisers website.
It should have information on the property like when it was built, market value etc.. and a list of all the past and previous owners.
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On a side note, I think I found the girl that lived there.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Isabella ... 0081111334

You could ask her
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Thought Criminal Wrote:On a side note, I think I found the girl that lived there.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Isabella ... 0081111334

You could ask her
I found her Facebook a long time ago. I don't want to ask her myself, because she will wonder how I was able to match her with her former house, and I would be forced to admit I trespassed in what used to be their house, which would decrease my chances of being able to use the property because they would think I'm a criminal and if they didn't give me permission they would probably let the police know that people are trespassing and may trespass in the future.
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Thought Criminal Wrote:On a side note, I think I found the girl that lived there.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Isabella ... 0081111334

You could ask her
I found her Facebook a long time ago. I don't want to ask her myself, because she will wonder how I was able to match her with her former house, and I would be forced to admit I trespassed in what used to be their house, which would decrease my chances of being able to use the property because they would think I'm a criminal and if they didn't give me permission they would probably let the police know that people are trespassing and may trespass in the future.


Tell her that you were let in her house by a realtor because your parents were planning on buying realestate and that you thought she was cute so you wanted to ask her about the house yourself.

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Bank robbery is the crime of stealing from a bank during opening hours. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Reporting Program, robbery is "the taking or attempting to take anything of value from the care, custody, or control of a person or persons by force or threat of force or violence and/or by putting the victim in fear."[1] By contrast, burglary is defined as, "unlawful entry of a structure to commit a felony or theft."[2] So that bank robbery is defined as entering a bank when it is open and either by using force or the threat of force or otherwise obtaining valuables, usually money. Breaking into a bank when it is closed is burglary.
Bank robbery is most frequently in cities and large towns. The share of bank robberies in small towns increased from about 20% in 1996 to about one third in 2002[citation needed], but the majority of bank robberies are concentrated in urban areas. This concentration is often attributed to there being more branches in urban areas, but the number of bank robberies is disproportionately higher than the number of branches. In Canada, for example, seven cities have 30 percent of all bank branches but 66 percent of all bank robberies; in the United Kingdom, London has 10 percent of the nation's branches but 39 percent of its bank robberies.
This has advantages both for bank robbers and for the law enforcement community. Being in urban areas the transportation infrastructure is more highly developed, especially where banks tend to cluster near to retail shopping areas and commercial districts. Such banks are highly profitable targets for bank robbers who are then afforded a number of potential escape routes. The law enforcement community benefit by being able to respond more quickly and the likelihood of catching a bank robber on or near the scene is higher than for other types of crime. This is because most bank robberies are reported very quickly, frequently while the crime is in progress, most bank robberies occur during daylight hours, have multiple witnesses and with modern technology often produce photographic images that can be distributed and used immediately to canvass the local area. Consequently, many robbers are caught the same day. In fact, the clearance rate for bank robbery is among the highest of all crimes, almost 60 percent.
The urban location of the crime also contributes to its repeat victimization profile, a measure of how quickly a crime victim will suffer a repeat of the original crime. One study carried out by the Home Office found that in England, one third of banks at which a robbery has occurred will be robbed again within three months, while the same study found that in Tallahassee, Florida, one quarter of robbed banks will suffer repeat robbery within a week, and over half of robbed banks will be robbed again within a month.[3]
The Australian Institute of Criminology analyzed trends in bank robbery over a four year period. Of the 808 bank robbery incidents between January 1998 and May 2002 in which the number of offenders involved in the hold-up was recorded, more than half (55 percent) were committed by lone offenders, about 25 percent by pairs, and around 20 percent by three or more robbers. Unarmed lone offenders accounted for the majority of all robberies (28 percent of all robberies), caused the least number of injuries to victims (one percent of all victims' injuries), were the type of robber who most often used a note to threaten bank staff (46 percent of all their robberies), and failed most often in their robbery attempts (33 percent of their robberies). Unarmed gangs inflicted the most injuries to victims (51 percent of all victim injuries) and failed the least in their robbery attempts (six percent of their robberies). Armed robbers used a disguise more often compared to unarmed robbers, with armed pairs employing disguises most often (59 percent of their robberies).[4]
According to the Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics injuries occur in about two percent and a death occurs in less than 1% of all US bank robberies.[5][6]
Violent takeover type bank robberies do occur, but are very rare. The majority of bank robberies taking place today are so called "note jobs." These are usually accomplished by simply passing a written note to the teller demanding money. The idea is to attract as little attention as possible. In most cases, other customers present in the bank during such a robbery are completely unaware of what is occurring. Standard bank policy is to avoid violence as much as possible, so they will normally hand over the money and try to adhere to the robber's demands. The robber usually makes away with cash, but typically in relatively small amounts.
Contents [hide]
1 History
1.1 Historical Bank Robbers
2 Prevention
3 See also
4 References
5 External links
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The first bank robbery in the United States is often (including in this encyclopedia) claimed to have taken place at the Clay County Savings Association in Liberty, Missouri US on 13 February 1866 when several men believed to be members of the James-Younger gang shot a 19-year-old student and escaped with $60,000. This is also claimed (including by the museum established at the bank where it happened) as the first bank robbery in daylight in peacetime[7], to distinguish it from robberies such as that from the banks at St Albans, Vermont more than a year earlier which were perpetrated by Confederate soldiers and which some historians consider to be not robberies proper but acts of war.[8]
However, twenty-five months earlier, just before noon on 15 December 1863 a man walked into the Malden Bank in Middlesex County, Massacheusetts and after shooting dead the 17-year-old bookkeeper stole $3,000 in large bills and a further $2,000 in small bills. The directors of the bank offered a $6,000 reward for the arrest of the murderer.[9]
An even earlier alleged bank robbery is known to have occurred, but details are few. According to the New York Times, the first bank robbery in United States history took place on 19 March 1831, when the City Bank of New York lost $245,000 but the exact method is not clear so it cannot be confirmed that this was a robbery and not a burglary.[10]
First known use of a car for the get away. The 21 December 1911 edition of L'Auto, a popular Paris newspaper, carried an announcement on its front page that Mr. Normand of 12 rue de Chalet, Boulogne, was offering a reward of 500 French francs for information leading to the recovery of his 1910 green and black Delaunay-Belleville limousine, license plate no. 783-X-3, which had been stolen seven days earlier. The same day, 21 December 1911, two armed men intercepted a bank messenger outside a branch of Société Générale in rue Ordener, Paris, and relieved him of a satchel of money he was about to deliver to the bank. The date of the crime was chosen to coincide with a strike by the seven thousand taxi drivers in Paris which was hoped would leave the roads clear for their escape, and also being a few days before christmas they hoped the messenger would be carrying more money than usual. In the event that anyone should try to stop them, the gang carried Browning automatics which they were prepared to use if necessary. One of the men, Octave Garnier, carried no less than six revolvers while his three companions carried three each and they had four hundred rounds of ammunition in their pockets.
At eight O'clock that morning the messenger, Monsieur Caby, went to the rue de Provence branch of Société Générale where he picked up the cash, cheques and correspondence for his local branch then at the Place de Trinitie he boarded a tram for the twenty minute ride to the corner of rue Damremont and rue Ordener where Mr Peemans, a bodyguard from the bank met him with a handshake. The two men then walked the few yards to the bank and just outside they were stopped by two armed men, Garnier and Raymond Callemin, with guns thrust in their faces. The bodyguard, Peemans, covered his face with both hands and ran to the bank leaving Caby to be shot twice as he clung to his satchel. The robbers then jumped in Mr. Normand's stolen limousine being driven by Jules Bonnot and, firing shots from the windows at their pursuers made their escape up rue de Cloys. After leaving Paris they opened the satchel to find that their historic first motorised get away had netted them the unexceptional sum of 5,500 French francs. They missed that the bank messenger, Caby, had been carrying a wallet attached to the inside of his jacket that contained twenty thousand French francs.
It was September 1912 before the feat was repeated in the United States.[11]
A Fake Bank Robbery. One Saturday in May 1949 a second-hand Black Cadillac sedan drew up outside the First Security Bank in Provo Utah, US and a group of men in black suits and black hats, some of whom carried violin cases under their arms and one of whom carried a black satchel, walked into the bank in single file. They all had one hand ominously in their jacket pocket. Customers in the bank later reported that the men positioned themselves around the bank lobby and used their violin cases to signal the customers to stay out of the way. Two of the men in black suits approached a teller's window and one of them handed the teller a note. The money she handed over was swept into the satchell and as the six men departed, still brandishing their black violin cases one of the other tellers feinted.
Police arrived soon after their departure and it quickly transpired that the note handed to the teller asked her to exchange the $5 bill that came with it for $5 in pennies. This cash was theatrically swept into the satchell and the "robbers", all high school students, made their getaway in the borrowed car.[12]

[edit]Historical Bank Robbers
Main article: List of bank robbers and robberies
Jesse James was one of the most popular and praised bank robbers of USA.
In the early twentieth century Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks and he was famously reported as answering: "Because that's where the money is." This is, in fact, a quote invented by the interviewer to make the story more interesting.[13]
John Dillinger was another famous bank robber, who robbed banks in mid-western America. Some considered him a dangerous criminal, while others idolized him as a supposed present-day Robin Hood. He gained this latter reputation (and the nickname "Jackrabbit") for his graceful movements during bank heists, such as leaping over the counter (a movement he supposedly copied from the movies) and many narrow getaways from police. On July 22, 1934 in Chicago, Illinois, Dillinger was cornered by FBI agents in an alley outside of a movie theater, and was shot by a pistol while walking outside. He died at that location of gunshot wounds.
[edit]Prevention

Banks have implemented modern security measures, like motion-sensing and high resolution color security cameras, time-locked heavy vault doors, silent alarms, exploding dye packs, bait money and locator devices. Some banks supplement this protection with armed or unarmed security guards. [14]
Gone are the days when expert safe crackers could crack the code to a vault or safe. Today's biometric technology makes non-violent methods of gaining access nearly impossible. Modern vaults and safes are also reinforced to the point that the amount of explosives needed to blow them open would likely create unwanted attention and run the risk of harming the building to the point of collapse. Even the most impregnable vault or safe needs to be able to be opened by someone. To circumvent vault and safe security features, robbers often kidnap the bank manager, but that is not always a successful workaround as banks have often removed the manager's ability to open the vault. Kidnapping also enables the police or federal law enforcement to lay more charges and thus more jail or prison time for the robbers should they get caught.
The police have new measures at their disposal to catch bank robbers, such as well-armed SWAT teams, and pursuit cars (often a high-powered vehicle) driven by a trained driver that is capable of keeping pace with getaway cars. Forensic identification techniques have also improved greatly; should a bank robber fire a gun, the police can trace the bullet to the exact firearm using ballistic fingerprinting. Martin Kemp, in a BBC documentary, once inquired on the effectiveness of an Uzi in a bank robbery, to which the firearms training instructor joked "that would be sixty four pieces of evidence to convict you." The sawed-off shotgun, a common robbery weapon in United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand where handguns are difficult to obtain, are easily concealable but not particularly effective.
While it is likely but not certain that the first time someone robs a bank they will not be caught, it is highly likely that if they continue they will be caught. Few criminals are able to make a successful living out of bank robbery over the long run, since each attempt increases the probability that they will be identified and caught. Bank robberies are still fairly common and are indeed successful, although eventually many bank robbers are found and arrested. A report by the Federal Bureau of Investigation[15] states that, among Category I serious crimes, the arrest rate for bank robbery in 2001 was second only to that of murder. Today most organized crime groups tend to make their money by other means, such as drug trafficking, gambling, loan sharking, identity theft, or online scamming and phishing.
A further factor making bank robbery unattractive for criminals in the United States is the severity with which it is prosecuted. Accounts at all US banks are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, a corporation of the federal government, bringing bank robbery under federal jurisdiction and involving the FBI. United States Federal Sentencing Guidelines for bank robbery mandate long prison terms, which are usually further enhanced by the use or carrying of loaded firearms, prior criminal convictions, and the absence of parole from the federal prison system. As with any type of robbery, the fact that bank robbery is also inherently a violent crime typically causes corrections administrators to place imprisoned bank robbers in harsher high-security institutions.

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Give us a tl;dr version.
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Wikipedia's bank robbery page. -- It's a bad joke, because some people I've talked to have mistaken bankruptcy for bank robbery.

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