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In response to OP, remember this quote:

Mark Twain — 'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'

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Quote:People complain waaaaaay too much about high school.
Slaves complain waaaaaay too much about plantation work.

Quote:Just because you don’t like homework doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with the school system, it just means you’re lazy and spend all your time on this dumbass site instead of putting that same effort into accomplishing something productive.
Nice fallacy there. Instead of making a proper argument on why homework is good, you simply lump anyone who doesn't like homework into the group of lazy, arrogant idiots, as if there were actually any proof of that.

Homework is forced labor, simply put. There's not much space around the bush for that one. Do you think people like unpaid forced labor? I'll let you answer that one yourself.

Quote:Also, stop blaming the school for your petty “drama”.
A great example of marginalizing the issue so as to avoid having to deal with it.

Quote:The school has nothing to do with all you dumbasses hating each other, it’s because you’re all douches who think they’re cooler than each other.
What do you think happens to the non-douches who don't think they're cooler than everyone else? Or are you just going to generalize everyone in high school again?

Fine then, douche. What, did you think your high horse gave you a free pass?

Quote:The school just happens to be a place where you’re forced to interact like civilised people.
I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is petty rules that are strictly enforced, people who get around the reasonable ones, and being forced into this place. That last one is really another topic altogether though.

Quote:Making friends isn’t even remotely close to the point of going to school in the first place, school is about LEARNING.
I actually agree with this, although you'd think school would at least stop advertising itself as some friendly place where everyone is all happy happy and cooperating.

Quote:So you don’t like waking up early? Think getting up at 6:00 AM is bad?
I'd say so, considering the amount of homework and the natural teenage sleep cycle.

Quote:Suck it up
Let me shoot you in your liver then.

Oh, you're bleeding to death? Or perhaps dying from blood poisoning?

Don't try to bring me to court or anything. Don't "complain". Just suck it up.

You see, "Suck it up" is not actually a proper argument.

Quote:there’s only a handful of buses in your school district and they cant move 1500 kids in the elementary, middle, and high schools at the same time.
That's not my damn problem. Since when was it the student's job to manage how they are transported to prison every weekday?

Quote:And besides, school ending around 2-4 is the only way students can do their homework
Something reminds me of begging the question here. School homework is automatically presumed to be good, so of course the school schedule must make allowances for it. Never mind, say, giving optional homework or less homework.

But if you'd like to lobby for making schools end earlier, by all means do so. I don't mind. Not a bit.

Quote:and be involved in after school activities like sports, play practice, etc.
This is actually valid. There is no reason why people who don't participate in these activities should get the shaft for changes that pander to them though.

Quote:You hate tests and they stress you out? There’s a reason why, it’s called BEING STuPID.
Great, you're generalizing again. Once again, putting the student at fault and not the curriculum.

Ever heard of bad tests, bad teaching, or maybe a busy schedule (due to all of the other schoolwork you must complete)? How about forced labor? I think I already brought THAT up, but you probably just closed your eyes and pretended it didn't exist, so here it goes again.

Furthermore, the test questions are entirely up to the district's or educator's whims, and thus may be entirely unrepresentative of the student's actual knowledge in that area.

Quote:Why don’t you actually try to work hard and put some effort instead of reading a textbook for five minutes, and then going on tumblr to complain about your life.
A lot of people do that and they still hate school, mainly because they are forced to expend so much time on something they never wanted to do. I worked overtime on schoolwork last year and hated it to bits.

Why don't you make some shirtwaists and put some effort into it instead of sewing for 5 minutes, and then complaining to the boss about how you never get any break days and only get a penny an hour.

Quote:You don’t like your teachers? Too bad, the school isn’t gonna fire a perfectly qualified educator just because they’re rude. As long as they’re doing their jobs and aren’t molesting children
This is a big problem with society. Sexual abuse, neglect, and murdering & disfiguring children is not OK. Everything else (particularly emotional abuse) is OK.

Sticks and stone may break my bones, and words do hurt people, ignoramus. If even the teachers don't refrain from bullying, that's messed up.

Quote:you need to shut up and deal with it.
no u

You really do need to shut the fuck up though. You've done this 2 or 3 times already. You're telling people to accept inhumane conditions, as if that were a legitimate argument.

Maybe next time you hear an announcement about starving people in 3rd world countries, you will tell those people to shut up and deal with it.

Quote:You don’t think the stuff you’re learning will be useful in the long run? Well whoop-de-fucking-doo, smartass, the point of having to learn a wide variety of subjects is because you never know for sure the career path you will take in the future, and the school wants to make sure you’re prepared for whatever path you take, so stop bitching about how algebra is pointless.
Would school also like some chocolate tasting classes? I'm sure there are jobs for that too.

Ok, so school tries to make you well-rounded, whatever. If someone is trying to learn enough in every subject so as to be familiar with all of them, that is his choice. What shouldn't be happening is the government dictating your courses with this "Best for you" mentality.

Perhaps we should also enforce a rule saying that you can't stop capitalizing stupid at the u and then resume. It's an eyesore.

Quote:Your classes are too hard? Why don’t you actually try asking for help for once, instead of expecting all your teachers to hand you knowledge on a silver platter.
Does "asking for help" work every time? If a teacher isn't teaching you well, do you think their help will be top notch? How about if they accuse you of not paying attention?

I've had some excellent teachers and I still couldn't learn the required material after requesting assistance. If you think I wasn't trying, then think again.

Quote:High school isn’t supposed to be easy. It’s supposed to be about hard homework, hard exams, and hard classes;
That people didn't actually want to do.

Or if they did, there's a pretty good chance it was because their parents made them and/or businesses just can't hire people without a superficial slip of paper saying they got whatever in a dogmatic freedom-less institution.

And was all of that hard crap ever proven to be the most effective method of teaching people anyway?

Quote:and that means that you actually have to work your ass off to be on top.
That's all good. Only, you should really also be learning more and filling out useless assigned sheets of paper less. You can't decide what you're going to do, you're given an assignment and told you must do it. What sort of strategies you use, your life at home, whether you actually learned anything-all that matters zip. Plenty of students don't care if they learned anything. They're all just chasing after that A grade. Unfortunately, it happens that we finally have a group that I can associate with.

"But you also do that at work!" The difference is that I pick my job. I don't choose to be in school, and I don't get paid for that, either.

I'll just quote this next part since you'll inevitably say it:

Quote:You get paid with learning!
That's great! Now let me continue to drone on in school for a few more months and forget whatever likely useless info I may have learned.

Also, what do you think happens to people who don't wish to work their asses off and join in the competition? You would think their only punishment would be staying at the bottom, but this is far from the truth.

Quote:There’s nothing wrong with the school system, but there is something wrong with your attitude.
There's nothing wrong with Auschwitz, but there is something wrong with your attitude.

Remember, work makes you free!

^If someone posted my reply to tumblr, that would be great.
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Pretty much summed it up right there.


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"Arbeit macht frei, mein freunds."

If you folks started saying this in school that would be excellent.
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(01-26-2014 10:49 AM)Trar Wrote:  Good points xcriteria. I think it depends on whether the other party is willing to listen in the first place, though. So many online discussions go nowhere or turn into flamewars simply because of the participants' pigheadedness. Not to mention the number that were precluded from really getting somewhere in the first place (think console wars). I am only somewhat shamed to admit I was like that way back in the day. In my defense, I was 12.

Yeah, I agree.

This is where learning to have productive, "meaning-building" conversations is missing from a lot of people's lives. It's a totally different way to interact, that many people don't see modeled very effectively.

So, tge question is then, what to do about that, and if anything really can even be done. I suppose it depends on the people and circumstances in question. But, this is where I think producing stories and media, as well as just learning more about other people's stories and situations, has promise.

That gets into a key issue in these discussions about school: there are many ways to do school, whereas many people are only familiar with a monolithic conception of school. So, often, pro-school vs. anti-school debates involve people thinking from totally different frames of reference.

The question is then, what to do about that, when the arena is online interactions which participants may only understand from a debate-and-argue mindset. Can some participants "educate" the others, without ruffling feathers and stirring up defenses?

Can people who only know petty squabbling learn a different mode of cognitio and interaction?

This is a question a lot of teachers struggle with, too. And, it's a question many people answer with "you go to (factory model) school to learn how to be civilized," even if that often doesn't work, or only does at.a superficial "behave when around authority" level.

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Excellent questions. Now we just need to find the answers...and I'm going to bed. It's 3 AM. Perhaps I might think of something in a dream...
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(01-27-2014 12:03 PM)Hansgrohe Wrote:  Pretty much summed it up right there.
I can pretty much sum up that cretin's post in a jiffy too.

"You don't like (some stupid thing in school), so you are a (insulting label). Shut up and deal with it."

That's about it.
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