Considering "Armed" Overthrow

[SeReNiTY]

Hi (first post),
I am dissatisfied with not only the state of the school system but also the authoritarian, fascist-like state of my school. The administrators violate other students rights to free expression, speech and even the right to privacy. A few students were even threatened with suspension for singing "Happy Birthday" to another student.

While of course I will use peaceful protest to start, I am almost guaranteeing it won't work. Every day I expose the truths of the school system to others and I am quickly gaining support.

What do I mean by "armed" overthrow. I mean we all take over the school by using Nerf guns and Nerf tactical vests and knocking down any resistance, even police, in our way. If you've got 400 students behind your back its pretty darn hard to expell them all in 1 day. Then we proceed to occupy all three principal offices and establish a more democratic school. We abolish authoritarianism and encourage students to think independently. I have even constructed a four step plan for overthrow.

Stage 1: Invade the cafeteria and secure the area.

Stage 2: Take out both vice principals (as in make them leave) and control the 6th and 7th and 8th grade hallways.

Stage 3: Control the 5th grade wing.

Stage 4: Overthrow the principal's rule and establish a new school government based on direct democracy, very anarchic in its workings.

Any tips, suggestions or advisories?

[James Comey]

Wait, this is serious?
Well, first off, your school sounds like a hellhole. Simply singing Happy Birthday and they threaten you with suspension, what kind of shit is that?

Second, I would strongly recommend NOT to go with this. You could get into extremely, serious trouble. I'm absolutely certain that they'd go as far as to call in riot police to quell the situation. I recommend that you do NOT go with this plan. I'm a fan of direct action, but this would definitely get you in jail for some time.

I would recommend a school strike. Organize a day in which not to go to school and spread it through the social networks with friends, etc to get a lot of involvement. This is far more peaceful, the worst they'd do would be suspension.

[SeReNiTY]

Like I said, this is a last resort only if every attempt at peaceful protest doesn't work. But I agree, it's high risk.

[Chanku]

Alright. You school sounds like a hell-hole. I do not suggest doing this. I would NOT do this only because your plans, your actions could be twisted and contorted into something that people will hate you for. If the plan would fail, think about what would happen afterwards. Sometimes, you gotta plan something big, and make sure it has a big impact. If you hit the school where it hurts, in which there are several, some harder to hit than others. While a Walk-out is, somewhat illegal within the US(I think), and will count as truancy, and there are other alternatives, I just think it would be cool to watch the students just leave. Then again I think that maybe a walk-out(especially with 200+ Students), might have a big impact.

However these are just my opinions.

[SeReNiTY]

Right. My plans could be turned into Soviet-style propaganda against my group and myself. And it is very high risk, that's why they are put after a crapload of walkouts, protests, and occupy movements.

[Chanku]

Alright. To be honest when it comes to things like this, I have an ability to play it in my head and see possible outcomes, possible effects, and possible flaws. However again, I could never map out all of the outcomes. While it seems like a good idea, and any idea works on paper, it will probably not work out that way when put in action. Sometimes if you map out the variables, and what could happen, it's better to come up with the pro's and con's, and to see how well it will work out. Also your actions could have negative effect on other people as well, not just you and your group.

[GamerGurl]

I'd love to co-lead something as fantastic as this.

[SeReNiTY]

But yeah, I take this fascist state-like school #%*+ seriously.

My motto is "Oppressed students of the world, unite!". Only got 8 supporters right now, but people are always complaining about dress code so that'll snowball fast. It's a violation of free expression, IMHO. And MrJurgens, let me know if you want to see the plans for the rebellion. I'll happily discuss them.

[154bmag]

Um okay, how the hell are you going to get past the police with nerf guns?

[Sunbourn]

Hi, I recommend removing the area which you are located from your post. This could give them a heads up. No matter what you do, you don't want them to be aware of your actions beforehand. Unless you do. In which case w/e. But I don't think you do.

I like the idea of staging a walkout. Make sure you film it. Especially if police come and give you guys shit. Police abuse on non-violent protesters who are just leaving their school can only help our cause in the long-run if it is recorded. The odds of something happening are slim, but you should record anyway to help expose the frequent abuse perpetrated by the police of this country if it does occur at your particular protest event.

[Chanku]

(11-19-2013 12:38 PM)|55555| Wrote:  Make sure you film it. Especially if police come and give you guys shit. Police abuse on non-violent protesters who are just leaving their school can only help our cause in the long-run if it is recorded. The odds of something happening are slim, but you should record anyway to help expose the frequent abuse perpetrated by the police of this country if it does occur at your particular protest event.

I never factored in Police abuse, however if you record it, not only would you have proof of abuse, but also could be useful in a court case. Besides it could get more people involved, and possibly spark something a bit more.

[brainiac3397]

Have you been influenced by Ernesto "Che" Guevara by any chance?

While I'm always one for violent direct action, and closely identify with aspects of fascism(as well as communism), I think the best option is non-violent civil disobedience and gasoline. Threats of self-immolation have often been tools of protest, and source of major 3rd degree burns.

And video taping everything and anything works great to get a media flame burning.

[James Comey]

Self-immolation would send a strong message IMO, but I highly don't recommend it. Then again, that got things started in Tunisia.....

Seriously though, don't burn yourself.

[Subb]

I have a less crazy idea, and I think you MIGHT be able to get away with it as a last resort. This is AFTER you try petitions, letters, protest, walk outs, etc.

At an organized time, you and a bunch of of other kids get up from class, and walk to the main office. When you all get there you sit down. Anywhere there's room. Don't talk to anyone, don't give any commands, don't even look at the administrators when they talk to you. Just sit. And you should stay there until someone either promises change, or PHYSICALLY removes you. Be sure to have someone with a camera there, just in case.

I may have read that on here, actually. But yeah, a hostile takeover is a bad idea.

[brainiac3397]

Chain yourself to the school door...

The more students that do it, the better.

[Sunbourn]

(11-19-2013 04:34 PM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Chain yourself to the school door...

The more students that do it, the better.

Chain yourselves to the school door AND to eachother, so if they somehow get one loose that person can't be separated from the rest and subject to being made an example out of. Have a wall of students blocking entry. Set it up right before the crowd is set to enter. Have more people block the side entrances if you can.

????

win.

[brainiac3397]

Borrow ideas from the people who did those protests in seattle back in '98(I think). Well, up till where police ended up bashing skulls indiscriminantly.

[Ky]

Hostile takeover?

No. No. No. No. NO!

In the unlikely event that a Nerf war succeeds, you might accomplish some short-term change, but then what? In the end you'll just be spreading the wrong message. It is a bad idea for a last resort and there is no shortage of other options.

That said, keep up the good peace work. It sounds like you have quite a following.