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Quote:Two 13-year old and one 14-year-old boys - handsome football stars of Year 8 - have been expelled from a Sydney Catholic school after a female classmate complained they had touched her fully clothed breast three months earlier.

The boys, who cannot be named for legal reasons, admitted to touching the 13-year-old girl during an English class, but said it was consensual, "and she had no problem with it", said the mother of one of the boys.

A teacher was present in the classroom at the time and the girl did not complain or appear distressed.

But three months later, the girl told a teacher and the official sexual harassment machinery swung into action.

The boys were interviewed by the vice-principal. "They were honest and said they did touch the top of her breast, consensually, and she had no problem with it," the mother said. On August 17, "all hell broke loose", with the "accusations deemed to be of a sexual assault nature" and the boys were expelled.

"We were never able to question the girl's statements," the mother said. "What they said was taken as gospel.

"The boys have maintained all through the investigative process that this was consensual activity with no skin contact and they were sorry for their actions. The accuser has never been held accountable for the havoc she has wreaked and the boys have had their reputations shredded."

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Since then another girl has come forward to say she was also touched on the top of her breast by the boys at the same time as her friend.

The school has been in uproar since. Two days after the boys were expelled, Year 8 went on strike. "They banded together and sat in the playground and refused to go to class," the mother said. "The teachers had to come out to teach them."

The girls have been off school on sick leave for the past three weeks.

"They've been ostracised by the school. No one would talk to them. They may even have to leave the school. "Its a disaster for everyone."

The mother said the girls had sent the boys text messages saying, "they're sorry and they wish they could take it all back."

"I feel terribly sorry for the girls, too. They have no idea what they were doing. It should have been dealt with in house. Now the whole [district] is talking about it. No one can believe its gone so far."

The school principal yesterday did not return calls.

The mother said most parents were supportive, although one mother phoned her anonymously, called her son a "sexual predator" and said she didn't want him at school with her daughter.

Despite appeals by the three families to the Catholic Education Office, and an independent inquiry by a barrister, the school has refused to reinstate the boys. The public high school at the end of her street also initially rejected her son because the allegations "were of a sexual nature" the mother said, but at a meeting yesterday with the principal and a regional director of education they agreed to allow him to enrol.

"The rumour and innuendo that has spread through the community has cast doubt on the boys' reputations with principals from other schools," she said. "Its just another example of political correctness gone wrong."

The Catholic Education Office has provided the boys with a private tutor once a week for two hours. One boy reluctantly enrolled at a new school some distance away but the other two have been out of school for eight weeks.

They have refused a place at an all-boys school 16km away, requiring them to take two buses and a train. It's not just the length of the commute which is a problem, she said, but the fact that all three boys come from all-boy families.

"That's why we feel its important they mix with girls. They have no issue with females and its a healthy environment for them.

"In any case, the boys want to go back to their old school, where they've been since kindergarten . Their friends their teammates, their life is at that school. For that to be taken away over this one incident is just wrong. The boys have never done anything wrong. They've all had good grades, no police trouble and they are good rugby league players."

She has her theories about why the trouble started. "They're all tall boys, strong, fit and healthy and good looking and they have become a target for young females."

She thinks the complainants were upset at the "lack of attention" from her son and his friends, who were being invited to parties with other girls.

Teenage sexual politics is complex at the best of times but there had already been trouble at the school with different students "sexting and other things". In one incident she said a girl texted a picture of her breasts to a boy's mobile phone and the boy was suspended.

"These girls lie sometimes. Its just got to be realised."

The latest incident has set up a legacy of distrust between the sexes. "We've told our son to be careful with girls. You might be friends one minute and the next thing the girls could turn around and hurt you."

Her son has been going to work with his father each day to take his mind of his problems but she is worried about depression. "We don't know how it's going to affect them further down the track. Their sense of self-worth and how they talk to females in the future. He has a great relationship with so many female cousins. He's never had a problem with females. Can't boys be boys any more?"

What damage such an incident has caused to adolescent children and their emerging sexuality can't be measured. Overreacting to normal interest between the sexes and setting up a predator-victim culture with the boys always in the wrong is a recipe for a sick society. But it is the predictable consequence of our official embrace of man- hating feminist propaganda, which automatically regards men, and now little boys, as dirty predators, and the cowardly institutions and administrators who fail to take a stand against it.

In the US, kindergarten boys as young as four have been expelled and labelled sexual deviants for what in more innocent times would have been regarded as normal childhood play.

Any parent of boys knows how deceptively tender their feelings are at 13 or 14 and how easily they can be made to feel like monsters for just being boys. Essentially we have criminalised boyhood.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/o ... 5938348934

[Rebelnerd]

InB4 screaming misogynists.

[Leon Kinotolian]

I think there will be at least a few people here when I say that the words "What utter faggotry" have a very legitimate place here. Seriously, what the hell?

[psychopath]

Absolutely ridiculous, that school should be destroyed.

Although what does "handsome football star" got to do with anything? I would hate for that whole jock culture to come to australia.

[waspline]

What the hell?

[NowhereWoman]

What the fuck?

The school should've told the parents, had them work it out personally.
But no, because fucking schools think they need to parent kids themselves, this shit got blown up in the administrative bullshit and now lives are being ruined.

It's all reactionism and no common sense.

Quote:What damage such an incident has caused to adolescent children and their emerging sexuality can't be measured. Overreacting to normal interest between the sexes and setting up a predator-victim culture with the boys always in the wrong is a recipe for a sick society. But it is the predictable consequence of our official embrace of man- hating feminist propaganda, which automatically regards men, and now little boys, as dirty predators, and the cowardly institutions and administrators who fail to take a stand against it.

I pretty much agree with this.

Its the same problem with a lot of minority groups. They want to level the playing field, but then everyone feels guilty or they are so agressive the game gets tipped in their favor. It's not fair but it's hard to correct since everyone wants to be politically correct.

The government should just protect peoples' civil rights and then fuck off. Let the people use their own goddamn common sense to fix their problems, and if they don't have any, they'll either be corrected by society or end up with no friends. But that way it doesn't hurt all of us.

EDIT: But I do have problems with what a lot of anti-feminists say, I mean, not all women who want to chance perceptions of women want to make men the enemy figure. Seriously, it's just culture, there's not an enemy or scapegoat, culture has evolved to this point but we need to realize it and turn it around. The whole idea of "feminist propoganda" is just adding to the finger pointing madness and the angry shit that doesn't help anyone.

[Alistoriv]

or rather, what did it come to 7 years ago?