Is god real?

[guts12]

Right, it's time we debate this. I truly believe that god doesn't exist, and this is my arguement: if someone believes in someone you can't see or hear, it is an imaginary friend. If a group do it, it's a religion.

[Miller0700]

Who can know for sure?

[Heil_Kaiba8921]

I believe he exists, but he's not as powerful as every religion claims he is. I also don't believe in the churches because they promote unconditional love with conditions.

[Ky]

I think a post from my friend's blog is related to this debate: http://anson-s.blogspot.com/2012/09/on-a...m-and.html

WARNING: Some words are tough to understand, and this is written from a specifically religious perspective.

[IamNoone]

I'm not even going to bother.
No one here believes in any form of pirituality, no one here understands metaphysics, so I refuse to try.

[V.R.]

I personally reject the existence of a divine being(s).

[Ky]

I, myself, would like to start with the premise that there are multiple kinds of belief/acceptance. Having faith by sight is easy, ludicrously so. The same goes for hearing. If God perpetually made Himself crystal clear through these mediums, He'd have a whole lot of fair-weather followers. Those who acknowledge the existence of God "walk by faith and not by sight", as is a common expression among Christians like myself. I am not annoyed by those that aren't too sure He exists, or even those who have no reason to believe He does. I am, however, slightly annoyed when people demonstrate an equivalent faith to mine, except opposite - an unwavering faith in the non-existence of God.

[zagix]

Define god

[Miller0700]

The exact reason why I'm agnostic.

[SoulRiser]

I don't get it, why does it have to be so black and white? (He either exists or doesn't)... What if there is some kind of spirit force thingey, and all the religions are based on it (ie, technically all the religions have the same God, and they're fighting over nothing, lol). So, it's not really a "God' in the usual sense, but something interesting that people interpret to be a God.

Either that or they don't notice its existence. And then the ones who don't notice it fight with the ones who do, and tell them they're delusional. And even the ones who do notice it fight among themselves arguing over whose God is the right one.

This is why I normally stay the hell away from debates.

[IamNoone]

Okay, that's one person who understands it. Nice to know I'm not alone.

"The voice of racism preaching the gospel is devilish
A fake church called the prophet Muhammad a terrorist
Forgetting God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond
And Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran"
-Immortal Technique, The 4th Branch

[Ky]

^ What is this Immortal Technique thing you keep referencing?

[Miller0700]

He's a underground rapper.

[IamNoone]

His real name is Felipe Coronel.
He is a rapper and political activist. Is also very quotable.

[IamNoone]

Nope, actually religion would repeat the same pattern in all likelihood. Similar monotheistic religions occurred 5 times that I know of.

[Ky]

(09-17-2012 09:29 AM)jollychimp Wrote:  Let's say that religion and science are destroyed and no one has any memory of it. We'd discover the same science theories and facts, but religion would be different.
While I may deny god, I can't deny the idea of an afterlife. A couple of years back, I went to a psychic medium's book signing. Part of the book signing was that she told everyone in the room the readings she was receiving. There was no trickery involved. She didn't know our names, phone numbers, street address—nothing. She said the names of my widowed grandmother, her husband, and my deceased aunt all in sequence. They weren't common names either.

Heh, I'm not so sure about that - everything in science would likely fall under different names, circumstantially speaking, but I think religion would follow a much similar path to what it did in the past.

Anyway, so a psychic can rattle off a few names. There's probably a method. It's probably best to stay away from that witchcraft, in any case - the Word claims its pretty evil stuff.

[SoulRiser]

Witchcraft? lol

You should read some of this stuff:
http://www.psychicbutsane.com/developing...l-and-back
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2011/09/...-you-know/

^ articles written by actual psychics. Don't judge something until you've at least tried to understand it from their point of view...

[zagix]

Still no one answered my question:

Define God

[IamNoone]

It's up to OP to do that. I think it is safe to assume guts is referring to God in the traditional sense.

[Ky]

Free link for fagix: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god

[zagix]

By Doa's definition, no.

[Stadium]

(09-17-2012 09:17 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  actual psychics.

oxymoron

On topic, there is no god. I'm 100% sure. If you do believe in God, why that God? Why not a different one? why don't you make up your own? that's essentially what you're doing when you buy into an ancient and very popular cult

[IamNoone]

You are so detached you are incapable of feeling a spiritual bond with others. That is God, if you don't feel Him it's your own fault. The afterlife is a metaphor for the way people live on in our hearts and memories, "in spirit" and also a way to ease the fear of death for the masses so death is not an eve looming dark cloud but instead a peaceful transition. The holy books are almost never interpreted literally by any sane person, that idea that everyone does it is from atheists who hate religion. If you have ever actually been involved, not just going, but involved in a church, you would understand what God is to people.

[Miller0700]

^^^ Personal feelings and anecdotes aside, what evidence is there that a god or gods may or may not exist?

[Ky]

(09-19-2012 12:33 PM)Derchin Wrote:  ^^^ Personal feelings and anecdotes aside, what evidence is there that a god or gods may or may not exist?

Ever heard of Presuppositional Apologetics? It basically operates on the premise that the validity of God's word can't yet, and need not, be proven through logic. Basically, the things Christians say, for example, work as a double-edged sword - while these things may be divinely true, the unconvinced can and will use the lack of logic against them.

If you want more info, I pulled my information from this.

[Miller0700]

Basically, "I can't prove anything that I say to you is true, but I believe it's correct none-the-less. "

[Reptorian]

Define god, then test.

[Ky]

(09-19-2012 01:45 PM)Derchin Wrote:  Basically, "I can't prove anything that I say to you is true, but I believe it's correct none-the-less. "

That's a big part of it, yes.

[zagix]

(09-19-2012 11:25 AM)IamNoone Wrote:  You are so detached you are incapable of feeling a spiritual bond with others. That is God, if you don't feel Him it's your own fault. The afterlife is a metaphor for the way people live on in our hearts and memories, "in spirit" and also a way to ease the fear of death for the masses so death is not an eve looming dark cloud but instead a peaceful transition. The holy books are almost never interpreted literally by any sane person, that idea that everyone does it is from atheists who hate religion. If you have ever actually been involved, not just going, but involved in a church, you would understand what God is to people.

Every time I do LSD I feel a connection with nature or whatever but it's actually bullshit it's basically just a sensation of empathy derived by the binding of seretonin to the 5H receptors.

Why the fuck do you have to "ease things" for people. There's no need to hide the truth, just have it there and fucking deal with it.

When I die it'll be akin to dreamless sleep, IE nothing (except possibly odd signals going through the brain).
How do I know this? CONCRETE EVIDENCE.

[SoulRiser]

Concrete evidence... so, you died already?