The stupidest anti-paedophilia argument ever.

[gore goroth]

"Shes not old enough to make mature choices"

Even for you anti-pedo white knights out there this is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. Its basically saying its always the guys fault even if she takes off his clothes and jumps right on his cock.

[Stadium]

If some woman would have tried to have sex with me when I was 9, I wouldn't have even hesitated.

[cuttlefishCuller]

That is indeed a subjective argument. Children become mature enough to understand sex at different ages, which is true.

Buuuuuut, this doesn't mean pedophiliac acts are justified.

Rape is sexual contact without consent. This sounds simple, but many hold loose and incorrect definitions of the word. Consent is a vocal, informed, enthusiastic, non-coerced agreement to sex. Basically, if they didn't say "yes", it's rape, no matter how much they seemed to have enjoyed it. If they did say yes, after being threatened, coerced or otherwise pressured into it, it's still rape.

Now, would it be technically possible for a child or animal to have a safe sexual encounter with an adult? Probably. However, children can be much more easily coerced into things by an adult than an adult. An adult pressured into sex will usually have to be forced, but for a child who doesn't understand the social, personal and legal repercussions of sex, convincing them to have sex is much easier, especially if the person convincing them is an adult that they trust.

In most cases of sex between a child and an adult, the child has not given informed consent. Though a majority of these cases are abusive, even a pedophile who is romantically attracted to the minor and cares about their well being has the duty of explaining to them how underage sex can affect them in the future, supposing one even gets to that stage.

tl;dr: pedosex is still not cool, guys.

[Stadium]

Damnit I thought you were gone forever.

[cuttlefishCuller]

i came back 4 u bbz<3333

no, seriously, i'm not planning on sticking around long. i'v ascertained that this place has dissolved into an irredeemable pool of awful inside-jokes and rapist bullshit, and trying to fix it is a herculean task which will only end in dead kids and angry gods.

still, don't have sex with kiddies.

[Stadium]

This is still my favorite place on the internet

[aaaaaaasd]

hey homeSUCK what do you think of this guy
http://forums.school-survival.net/showth...?tid=27082

[SoulRiser]

Age of reason = somewhere around 7. Before that, children's brains don't even understand the concept that adults can be wrong... they trust them pretty much blindly. They do things out of instinct/reaction more than because they thought about it and it seemed like a good idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_psychology

[Sharpie]

(05-31-2012 05:49 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  That is indeed a subjective argument. Children become mature enough to understand sex at different ages, which is true.

Buuuuuut, this doesn't mean pedophiliac acts are justified.

Rape is sexual contact without consent. This sounds simple, but many hold loose and incorrect definitions of the word. Consent is a vocal, informed, enthusiastic, non-coerced agreement to sex. Basically, if they didn't say "yes", it's rape, no matter how much they seemed to have enjoyed it. If they did say yes, after being threatened, coerced or otherwise pressured into it, it's still rape.

Now, would it be technically possible for a child or animal to have a safe sexual encounter with an adult? Probably. However, children can be much more easily coerced into things by an adult than an adult. An adult pressured into sex will usually have to be forced, but for a child who doesn't understand the social, personal and legal repercussions of sex, convincing them to have sex is much easier, especially if the person convincing them is an adult that they trust.

In most cases of sex between a child and an adult, the child has not given informed consent. Though a majority of these cases are abusive, even a pedophile who is romantically attracted to the minor and cares about their well being has the duty of explaining to them how underage sex can affect them in the future, supposing one even gets to that stage.

tl;dr: pedosex is still not cool, guys.

You're back! :D

[cuttlefishCuller]

(05-31-2012 06:03 AM)BaronVonStrangle Wrote:  hey homeSUCK what do you think of this guy
http://forums.school-survival.net/showth...?tid=27082

i think i may have just fallen in queer demiromantic love

the way zir calls out cisgendered white bullshit sends shivers down my privileged non-diabled spine. hir down-to-earth sensibilities and righteous judgement beckons me to show them exquisite demisexual pleasure through their nonbinary genitals. for zir, i will gladly shed my kyriarchial-given gains to couple with them in a place without oppression, where no cisegender white heterosexual male has ever set foot.

oh and that vivi person has a homestuck in their signature, so i'm down to party with them too.

[HeartofShadows]

Oh hey cuttle fish is back.

[cuttlefishCuller]

(05-31-2012 06:26 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  Oh hey cuttle fish is back.

not really, i'm afraid. i was back for this one thread.

and once it dies, i will take my leave.

[kelby393]

Yeah, this is complicated, but i will say this: i read Jane Eyre and the woman Jane was nineteen when she met this guy Rochester, a thirty something year old. Eventually, although it's a long story, they fell in love (really) and married. This was from the 1800's, back when marriage probably wasnt regulated that much. I know it's a fictional story, but it Makes me realize how dumb it is to have laws regulating marriage, what ages you can be, community property and all that shit. So i saw NO LAWS, but only when you know the implications of sex and are MATURE enough to give careful consent are you ready. Well that's my two cents.

[cuttlefishCuller]

(05-31-2012 06:47 AM)kelby393 Wrote:  Yeah, this is complicated, but i will say this: i read Jane Eyre and the woman Jane was nineteen when she met this guy Rochester, a thirty something year old. Eventually, although it's a long story, they fell in love (really) and married. This was from the 1800's, back when marriage probably wasnt regulated that much. I know it's a fictional story, but it Makes me realize how dumb it is to have laws regulating marriage, what ages you can be, community property and all that shit. So i saw NO LAWS, but only when you know the implications of sex and are MATURE enough to give careful consent are you ready. Well that's my two cents.

the problem comes when other people don't respect your consent. without laws governing marriageable and legally sexual age, you'll end up with a lot more adults forcing children into things they are not properly consenting too, such as arranged marriages at a young age and sex.

[Kirby]

(05-31-2012 05:49 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  Children become mature enough to understand sex at different ages, which is true.

What's there to understand?

[cuttlefishCuller]

(05-31-2012 07:09 AM)Kirby Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 05:49 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  Children become mature enough to understand sex at different ages, which is true.

What's there to understand?

the numerous social aspects. the act itself is pretty straightforward.

[Kirby]

(05-31-2012 07:10 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  the numerous social aspects. the act itself is pretty straightforward.

Why do they need to understand the non-physical aspects?

[Stadium]

No possible way people under 18 could ever enjoy casual sex without having serious psychological trauma, good argument

[cuttlefishCuller]

(05-31-2012 07:27 AM)Kirby Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 07:10 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  the numerous social aspects. the act itself is pretty straightforward.

Why do they need to understand the non-physical aspects?

the trauma comes not from sex itself, unless you're really awful at it, but from how society views sex with minors. granted, society is stupid about sex in general, but not informing a kid about this and how they'll be treated is completely unfair and unjust.

[HeartofShadows]

(05-31-2012 06:28 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 06:26 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  Oh hey cuttle fish is back.

not really, i'm afraid. i was back for this one thread.

and once it dies, i will take my leave.

What a shame.
Well nice seeing you and all that.

[cuttlefishCuller]

(05-31-2012 08:54 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 06:28 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 06:26 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  Oh hey cuttle fish is back.

not really, i'm afraid. i was back for this one thread.

and once it dies, i will take my leave.

What a shame.
Well nice seeing you and all that.

oh, hehe, thanks! you're much too kind.

it's nice seeing you, even if it is in the context of a tired unenthused pedophile battle that won't actually resolve anything.

[HeartofShadows]

(05-31-2012 09:00 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  oh, hehe, thanks! you're much too kind.

it's nice seeing you, even if it is in the context of a tired unenthused pedophile battle that won't actually resolve anything.

Tell me about it.
Not like any argument here ever has a meaning.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Not involving myself in this thread... I'll let stadium speak for me since we have very similar views on the topic .

[King Bum]

Most anti-pedo arguments suck.

[jnkbortka]

(05-31-2012 06:03 AM)BaronVonStrangle Wrote:  hey homeSUCK what do you think of this guy
http://forums.school-survival.net/showth...?tid=27082

sweet jesus

[Stadium]

Someone tell me why pedophilia is so morally wrong and evil, please I want to destroy your argument

[cuttlefishCuller]

(06-01-2012 04:28 AM)Stadium Wrote:  Someone tell me why pedophilia is so morally wrong and evil, please I want to destroy your argument

>an analysis of why pedophilia is not justified is the third answer in the thread
>still posts this anyway

[Miller0700]

(06-01-2012 05:23 AM)cuttlefishCuller Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 04:28 AM)Stadium Wrote:  Someone tell me why pedophilia is so morally wrong and evil, please I want to destroy your argument

>an analysis of why pedophilia is not justified is the third answer in the thread
>still posts this anyway

http://www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html
We all do it on this site one way or another.

[SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT]

(05-31-2012 02:28 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  "Shes not old enough to make mature choices"

Even for you anti-pedo white knights out there this is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. Its basically saying its always the guys fault even if she takes off his clothes and jumps right on his cock.

It actually makes sense. Young children's brains have not finished developing, so they are bound to make idiotic, emotion based, and societal pressure based actions.

Paedophiles, are sick. Trying to take advantage of young kids, instead of consenting with adults on their level.

DOn't listen to the OP, this is redundant!

[LOON_ATTIC]

Stop being so fucking black and white.
Most of the time something like 16 & 30 would be, eh, fine, but 7 & 30 would be fucked up.
Who cares, it mostly depends on the individual case...