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EDIT: I DID NOT WRITE THIS. THIS WAS TAKEN FROM A SITE. THE LINK IS AT THE BOTTOM. No hate please.
....Maybe

Just read this. I still don't know what to think of it. Source at bottom.

Math doesn't suck, you do.

Every time I hear someone say "I suck at math," I immediately think he or she is a moron. If you suck at math, what you really suck at is following instructions.

Moron.
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Sucking at math is like sucking at cooking. I'm tired of eating shitty food because you're too much of a dipshit to follow a recipe. Also, I'm tired of hearing people brag about how they can't cook like it's some kind of badge of honor. It's like a race to the bottom with you people. I always hear people one-upping each other about how inept they are at cooking. If you don't know how to chop up a few carrots to make a decent soup, take your life.

Math is exactly like cooking: just follow the recipe. Symbols look confusing? Can't figure out how to solve a problem? All I hear is, "Waaah! Boo-hoo! I didn't read the introduction to the chapter that tells me exactly how to solve this generic category of problems!"

Math isn't some voodoo that only smart people understand. It's something that people understand on their path to enlightenment, and it's about as straightforward as thinking gets. And when I say "math" here, I'm talking specifically about the only category of math that 99% of people know about: applied. It's a failure of teachers everywhere to expose people to the much less commonly known branch of mathematics: theoretical.

Theoretical math is cool as shit. You know what's not cool? You being an idiot. Math theory involves solving problems like finding patterns in prime numbers, topology and thinking about the different kinds of infinity. And yes, there are different kinds of infinities. Pick up a fucking book some time.

Evolutionary tree with and without math.

Ever heard of Pascal's triangle? Or the Fibonacci sequence? How the square root of 2 was discovered? Do you know anything about the Pythagorean cult who discovered the "Pythagorean theorem"?

No, because you're too busy saying the same tired excuse every other dickhead spews out about math: "when will I ever use this in life?"

First of all, if you're leading your life in such a way that you never have to do math, congratulations, you are a donkey.

Why is math the only discipline that has to put up with this bullshit? People gladly learn art, music, literature and geography. You'll even nod like a happy idiot when you learn what a haiku is, and you never complain or whine about how you'll never use this in your "life." When is the last time you wrote a haiku, asshole?

But when it comes to math, everyone turns into a big pussy and starts PMSing all over the place. Because suddenly you can predict the future and you know that for the next 70 or so years of your life, with 100% certainty, that you will never use math and that you can tune out and go back to doodling because you're too self-important to learn something that ancient people thought was important enough to pass down for your dumbass to learn from. It's far more important for you to practice writing your name or drawing hearts and stars, right?

People didn't invent this stuff because they were bored. They invented it to solve real-world problems. Problems that real men had to deal with before your stupid ass was born, like building oil platforms, delivering the correct dosage of medicine and going to space. Not so your dumbass can play "Gardens of Time" on Facebook, although you wouldn't be able to do that without math, either.

All higher forms of thinking come from neural connections built by solving the kinds of problems encountered in math. Why should you learn math? Because fuck you, that's why. Learning math isn't about how much or how little you use it at your shitty job. It's about becoming someone who's worth a shit.

Don't like it? Tough. People also don't like to work, and if everyone took your shitty attitude towards math and applied it towards work, we'd all be living in shit huts in Africa. As for me, I like computers, the Internet, and riding in elevators. Don't think elevators are awesome? Take the stairs next time, asshole. That's what people who hate math get: stairs.

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Considering that most people won't need the higher level math that is taught to us.

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I agree with him partially, but still, generally only a few people in civilized society use and understand higher level math while the majority just need arithmetic.

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Dumb niggers are dumb
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fuck you

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^
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I love this level of intelligent thought.
I juts put the title the way it is to get attention, I don't agree with it, I just wanted to see what the community thought

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tl;dr. Well, I read the beginning, but it was too much of a flaming for me. Also, your post was disgusting in matter of calling people names whom they are not.

Maths. They can be something wonderful. As a hobby programmer, I'd need them from time to time. Yet, the way math is taught by the teachers, it is a uninteresting and boring subject. I became better at it as I started to try to understand myself, not just getting everything explained from a half ape at the chalkboard. It got way more interesting that way.
I haven't learned shit about math in school. Everything you pointed out, that square thing, pythagoren shit and stuff - never learned it in school. Because it would be "irrelevant". You don't need it to solve those equations. Yet, I bet it might be interesting.
Who says "Maths is stupid because I don't understand it" might have a narrow point of view. Yet, they are not donkeys...They have made their decision. And they wouldn't point that opinion out if they weren't forced to. You are the donkey for trying to push your opinions onto others, by basically saying "everybody who doesn't like maths is an idiot".

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(02-22-2012 11:51 AM)IamNoone Wrote:  ^
^^
I love this level of intelligent thought.
I juts put the title the way it is to get attention, I don't agree with it, I just wanted to see what the community thought

I'm not even talking about the title.

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Most people hate math because of how it is taught. Which is why more and more people hate to read.

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Your more of a dick.

Math may be cool to you, but some people just don't like math. Trust me. Not everyone uses Precalc for their job.

Yes, math isn't completely useless, but you sound like a dick forcing your opinions on everyone

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Yeah, math is just following directions. I'll go find some arbitrary fourth- or fifth-order differential equations and then they can find some instructions to solve them (by hand). :3

Even as far as cooking goes though, I think it takes a bit more to be a 'good' cook than to know how to follow recipes. I can follow a recipe and cook food without burning it, but I never learned to be very particular about it because for the most part I don't care. There's no objective way to say that learning to cook well is better than just being less picky.

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(02-22-2012 03:58 PM)magikarp Wrote:  Yeah, math is just following directions. I'll go find some arbitrary fourth- or fifth-order differential equations and then they can find some instructions to solve them (by hand). :3

Even as far as cooking goes though, I think it takes a bit more to be a 'good' cook than to know how to follow recipes. I can follow a recipe and cook food without burning it, but I never learned to be very particular about it because for the most part I don't care. There's no objective way to say that learning to cook well is better than just being less picky.
But then you could kind of make your own directions, and that's where the actual thinking part would be? Memorizing how to solve every single little problem would be way too much of a pain in the ass, anyway.

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Haha. Right. You will NEVER use Pythagorean theorem, SR of 2, Gerund or any other mathematical shit BEYOND basic arithmetic. Therefore math is completely pointless, except if you're not:

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(02-22-2012 04:12 PM)Lunatic Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 03:58 PM)magikarp Wrote:  Yeah, math is just following directions. I'll go find some arbitrary fourth- or fifth-order differential equations and then they can find some instructions to solve them (by hand). :3

Even as far as cooking goes though, I think it takes a bit more to be a 'good' cook than to know how to follow recipes. I can follow a recipe and cook food without burning it, but I never learned to be very particular about it because for the most part I don't care. There's no objective way to say that learning to cook well is better than just being less picky.
But then you could kind of make your own directions, and that's where the actual thinking part would be? Memorizing how to solve every single little problem would be way too much of a pain in the ass, anyway.
The point was that there are very few types of higher-order differential equations that have a 'method' of solution, for lack of a better word. If you can find a solution at all, it's normally more a flash-of-insight type of thing than knowing what to do, and that's assuming you know a solution even exists and can be written as elementary functions. And then there usually isn't any real way to generalize the solution to similar equations.

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Ah. Magikarp, you smartass. I haven't even solved a single differential equation yet Laugh

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I'm just hopelessly old.

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(02-22-2012 04:39 PM)Lunatic Wrote:  Ah. Magikarp, you smartass. I haven't even solved a single differential equation yet Laugh

What the shit is differential equation. By the way, we are taking Algebra in sixth grade and I'm going to be buttraped
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Ahh what? Math is useful, and yes I may not be the best at it. But it's not the instructions I can't follow, anyone can follow instructions dipshit. It's the fact that I don't know what this equation means. We get taught something, follow the formula and then when an equation that is slightly different I don't know what the fuck I'm doing because I was only taught in solving those basic equations. And I need to relate it to real life, I can't just solve mumbo-jumbo.
Math is useful, and it can be a good subject if it is taught right.

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(02-22-2012 05:02 PM)Efs Wrote:  Ahh what? Math is useful, and yes I may not be the best at it. But it's not the instructions I can't follow, anyone can follow instructions dipshit. It's the fact that I don't know what this equation means. We get taught something, follow the formula and then when an equation that is slightly different I don't know what the fuck I'm doing because I was only taught in solving those basic equations. And I need to relate it to real life, I can't just solve mumbo-jumbo.
Math is useful, and it can be a good subject if it is taught right.

It isn't. If you're a plumber, you won't need Algebra.
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I guess it's hard to explain to someone who hasn't taken any Calculus, but I'll try.

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First you need to know what a derivative is. Informally, a derivative is the rate of change of some function. For a straight line this is just the slope of the line.

For example:

y = 2x
y = 2x + 7
y = 2x + 3

The derivative of all of those functions is just y' = 2. (y' is one notation for the derivative of y.)

But normally, the rate of change isn't constant--it changes based on the x-value. For example, the derivative of y = x^2 is just y' = 2x.

You can also have second-order or higher-order derivatives. That just means you take the derivative of a derivative.

For example, if y = x^2, y' = 2x, then y'' = 2, y''' = 0.
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A differential equation is some function involving y and it's derivatives of various orders, where the goal is to find what function(s) y can be.

For example,

y''' + y' = 0

As background knowledge,
(cosx)' = -sinx
(sinx)' = cosx

One possible solution to the equation is y = sinx.

(sinx)' = cosx
(sinx)''' = -cosx
cosx + -cosx = 0

Another possible solution is y = cosx.

(cosx)' = -sinx
(cosx)''' = sinx
-sinx + sinx = 0

y = sinx + cosx is also a solution!

(cosx + sinx)' = cosx - sinx
(cosx + sinx)''' = -cosx + sinx
(cosx - sinx) + (-cosx + sinx) = 0

The most obvious solution is y = [a constant], say y = 1.

(1)' = 0
(1)''' = 0
0 + 0 = 0

For the sake of completeness, all the solutions to the original equation can be described as:

y = c1(sinx) + c2(cosx) + c3
Where c1, c2, and c3 are arbitrary constants.

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As you might imagine, if you have a complicated function, maybe with functions of x as coefficients to the derivatives of y (e.g., (x^2y)'' + (sinx)y' = x^4) or with more complicated functions of the derivatives themselves (e.g, (y'')^2 = x^4).

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Pork my eyes with a fork
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(02-22-2012 05:04 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 05:02 PM)Efs Wrote:  Ahh what? Math is useful, and yes I may not be the best at it. But it's not the instructions I can't follow, anyone can follow instructions dipshit. It's the fact that I don't know what this equation means. We get taught something, follow the formula and then when an equation that is slightly different I don't know what the fuck I'm doing because I was only taught in solving those basic equations. And I need to relate it to real life, I can't just solve mumbo-jumbo.
Math is useful, and it can be a good subject if it is taught right.

It isn't. If you're a plumber, you won't need Algebra.

Oh well it depends on the career you want to follow on.
At least basic math is needed for programming.
A lot of trades use some degree of math.
Engineers and scientists will need math, doctors too.

Depends on the job you need. I want to get into either IT, Comp Sci or Soft. Dev. so I need Math. Even though I barely pass Math I'm studying heaps for it this year so I can be on par with everyone else. But people shouldn't be forced to doing math if they don't want or need to.

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I fucking want to be pharmaceutist, but there is ALGEBRA in it. Who the fuck invented this shit, I'll create a time machine, go there, rape him, drug him, rape him again and kill him.
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whatever I end up doing I'm making damn sure it involves no math

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6 + xy^4*5*3-zx-j-a-x

I CAN CREATE MATH TOO
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Simultaneous equations fuuuuuuu i hate this shit. I always forget the formulae.

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6 + xy^4*5*3-zx-j-a-x

I don't know what this is, I am uneducated and will fail at everything I do.
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It is solved like that:

6 + xy^4*5*3-zx-j-a-x = jxax(6*x) + j*4*5 = jx46 * 5 * jy = jxjy * 465 = 465:jxjy
jxjy = 2.jx + 2.jy = 2.ky + t.d = tkyjx + jxtkd
jxktd = 6 * 4 *5
jxktd = 24 * 5
jxktd = x
x = jy + xy
xy = infinite

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x=who fucking cares
If Billy has x and needs to get y? make billy figure it out himself

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Dudes, I want you to pray for me ! I am going to school in 20 minutes and first period I will be raped by my old math teacher on some stupid formulas
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