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thriller222 · 11-05-2011 03:12 PM

I always have a problem with politics: I never make up my mind. I always shift ideologies, and I never have one opinion on a subject. Are you like this? Are you only commited to one ideology? I find that everything has pros and cons, so I dont think its fair to say that one system of government is the best.

HeartofShadows · 11-05-2011 03:14 PM

I tend to look at all the systems.
They all have positives and negatives and ultimately meh.

Elfy · 11-05-2011 03:29 PM

The majority of systems theoretically work pretty well. It depends on who's running the show.

gore goroth · 11-05-2011 06:22 PM

Windows 7.

NeonMarshmallow · 11-06-2011 01:46 AM

Mac OSX Lion

UltraRobot · 11-06-2011 08:45 AM

Windows ME.

LOON_ATTIC · 11-06-2011 10:40 AM

LUNIX
you're all bunch of mainstream posers bought into the man's expensive software penis

Anyway... blah capitalism for shittons of people SEEMS to be better than other shit like monarchy, fascism or "communism"... come at me bro. Though with a little socialism I think it can be better, like in Sweden?...
I guess anarchy can work pretty well in small communities too.

aaaaaaasd · 11-07-2011 12:35 AM

Sparkbrowser

TheCancer · 11-07-2011 01:34 AM

(11-05-2011 03:12 PM)thriller222 Wrote: I always have a problem with politics: I never make up my mind. I always shift ideologies, and I never have one opinion on a subject. Are you like this? Are you only commited to one ideology? I find that everything has pros and cons, so I dont think its fair to say that one system of government is the best.

There's too many people for anything to work.

jnkbortka · 11-07-2011 02:30 AM

paleolibertarian

Efs · 11-07-2011 10:40 AM

My whole life I've shifted from Fascism to Anarchy. I still prefer Anarchy, but the most ideal system for todays society would be one that is as Libertarian as possible, with SOME form of authority. I don't agree with this, but it's what I think would work for the time-being. Something like a minarchy or pure Ancient Greek democracy.

Liquid · 11-08-2011 07:27 AM

I'd like something with as much individual freedom as possible, but with a strong central power that works for the good of the individual and the whole (ie: aiding healthcare, curing diseases, preventing monopolies, keeping the cost of health, electricity, water, internet, etc. low, --- basicly keeping the individual from being gyped off, and allowing the individual to live up to their full potential without unnecessary outside interference)

HeartofShadows · 11-08-2011 01:21 PM

I would think more along the lines of my own created idocracy but I would like a society tailored to what the founding fathers invisioned or a world like brave new worlds.

Absnt · 11-08-2011 01:35 PM

(11-05-2011 03:12 PM)thriller222 Wrote: I always have a problem with politics: I never make up my mind. I always shift ideologies, and I never have one opinion on a subject. Are you like this? Are you only commited to one ideology? I find that everything has pros and cons, so I dont think its fair to say that one system of government is the best.

Look into political philosophy and political science. Shit's a lot more complicated than most people make it out to be. Especially look into freedom vs. equality, freedom vs. order, and that type of thing. What you have to do is decide where you stand on issues, and decide weather the form of government that best resolves those issues is ideal depending on how detrimental they are to personal freedoms, and that sort of thing.

There will be catastrophic downsides to almost every system, which is why the government has shaped itself into a thing that isn't REALLY bound by one way of doing things. You know what? I'm going to stop myself before this becomes a 10 page essay.

Not everyone will, nor CAN become REALLY politically aware. It takes a shit load of time to actually go through the arguments of each form of government, and the different forms of each form of government, and the reasons that form of government was implemented, the basic idea behind that form of government, how it plans on resolving certain issues, how realistic it is, if it can be implemented, and all of that. Most people in this day and age get the gist of things, but have no idea about the actual intricacies of government. That's a bad thing, but not everyone has the time to learn all this shit. If you're actually interested, start reading. If you just want to figure out the best form of government, good luck having a narrow view of how things really are, and why things are how they are.

Does any of that make a shred of sense lol?

thriller222 · 11-08-2011 02:52 PM

(11-08-2011 01:35 PM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:
(11-05-2011 03:12 PM)thriller222 Wrote: I always have a problem with politics: I never make up my mind. I always shift ideologies, and I never have one opinion on a subject. Are you like this? Are you only commited to one ideology? I find that everything has pros and cons, so I dont think its fair to say that one system of government is the best.

Look into political philosophy and political science. Shit's a lot more complicated than most people make it out to be. Especially look into freedom vs. equality, freedom vs. order, and that type of thing. What you have to do is decide where you stand on issues, and decide weather the form of government that best resolves those issues is ideal depending on how detrimental they are to personal freedoms, and that sort of thing.

There will be catastrophic downsides to almost every system, which is why the government has shaped itself into a thing that isn't REALLY bound by one way of doing things. You know what? I'm going to stop myself before this becomes a 10 page essay.

Not everyone will, nor CAN become REALLY politically aware. It takes a shit load of time to actually go through the arguments of each form of government, and the different forms of each form of government, and the reasons that form of government was implemented, the basic idea behind that form of government, how it plans on resolving certain issues, how realistic it is, if it can be implemented, and all of that. Most people in this day and age get the gist of things, but have no idea about the actual intricacies of government. That's a bad thing, but not everyone has the time to learn all this shit. If you're actually interested, start reading. If you just want to figure out the best form of government, good luck having a narrow view of how things really are, and why things are how they are.

Does any of that make a shred of sense lol?

The political field is very complex. I agree with you that it's a lot harder than most people make it out to be. Thats why I always change opinions on politics. I used to be a huge advocate of the free market a while ago, but that changed to a pure communist view point, then an anarchist view. Now I know though that these systems can all be run well, but they can also be fucked up by a bad leader. Good examples are things like the Stalinist soviet union. The soviet union was doing better under Lenin, it was actually on a real communist path. But when he died it all went to Stalin, who seemed to have forgotten his communist roots. Or George Bush junior. America was already on the wrong path when he entered office, but he fucked America up so bad that he made Nixon look like Roosevelt.

While I dont believe that any system is the best, I do believe that anarchy is the only moral system. No one has power over you, and you can do what ever you want. Even though I am not an anarchist, its the only system that doesnt force yo to act a certain way to adapt to it.

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