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school I know soooo obvious...

ok, I'm going to explain my thought on school and what everyone says about school.
"Schools are prisons!" -Sex Pistols
Who, other than me, thinks this is becoming true? I mean we have a "very nice" school system. We have a POLICE OFFICER that patrols our middle and high schools. Some schools have new metal dectecters and old books. Do they distrust us THAT much? This is absolutely wretched! Metal dectectors.....ok, if your trying to make your school safe you put metal dectectors and police officers in the school. That doesn't make me feel safe! It actually makes me afraid, I mean I then know there's a reason they put them there. OR is it because we, the fate of America, is so distrusted and shun down from "Higher authoritys" that our schools are ACTUALLY turning into prisons?

I'm sorry this is never going to change. I also beleive this is a problem in school. That America's divded. Your put into groups depending on if your smarts, interests, if your attractive, your weight, your attitude. You may not hang out with everyone that's classified the same as you but your still getting classified. All these add up to hoe "popular" you will be. If you are smart and get A's you most likely won't be in this group, if you are attractive and have a "popular" personality who probably will. The ablosutely baffles me. That in a survey I saw on the internet the most voted thing to do in highschool was to be popular at 96%!

Smarts, Obedience, and Opression everything for a teachers pet
To be accepted by teachers, not students(up above), we must be talented, smart, and obiedient. We have to be the "perfect" student of sorts. This is a horrible (invisible) rule as I call it. Its not in writing but its there. In order to be a teachers pet we have to act as if their GOD and that they have complete and utter control over us. Which by the way we outnumber them by 100 to 1. Though most of them do act liek this even though. I for 1 have never acted as though they were better than me because I know they're not. Also for the ones who act like this despite me, I usually act as if i'm better then them,(because if they think that the are better then you that automaticly makes us better then them), so this isn't very good.

This can also be related to streotypes, another thing is discrimination against race, sex, weight, attractiveneas, interests, groups, most of all ofcourse sexual appeal. These are related to names as, nigger, cracker, fag, queer, freak, nerd, dork, prep/bitch, goth, satainist, and all other word described against people. This is differnt from the sterotype because in sterotypes poeple are getting grouped according to interest ect. Discrimination, for this part, is deciding which class, goths, preps, punks, dorks, and deciding who's better than who.

So summerary of school, (sorry i couldn'y think of anything else to write down), school is turning into a prison, poepleare being classified, then they're decided how popular they are, after this they get unneccessary knowledge shoved down their throats for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 9 months a year, for 12 years. We are forced into a system of expected obiedience and our childhood being wasted down a damn dirty drain. I hate school.....

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Well put; these are definitely all problems.

I very much see most schools as more of a prison than an environment for learning and positive development. This is especially true for some people, but in many ways I think it's a problem for a majority.

The majority, though, seem to be able to adapt relatively well. Those students who absolutely can't take it have to go out of their way to find alternatives and advocate for themselves, if at all possible.

My life would have turned out substantially better if I'd better advocated for myself during middle school. I certainly tried! I tried to explain to my parents how I was learning almost nothing. But even a concerted effort didn't get me anywhere. And even when parents recognize there's a problem, the answers can be hard to find. So what can one do?

Fortunately, a number of today's young adults are looking back on their adolescence, and particularly their schooling, with these kinds of memories and an earnest desire to help those dealing with it to make a difference, rather than simply rationalizing it as the price of growing up. But that, and the beginnings of discussion of the issues, are about as far as we've come so far. We are working on catching up ourselves, with the kind of learning that didn't occur much earlier on. We're trying to figure out how learning can and should work, when the learner is in more control than in the typical classroom.

It would be of great help if we could hear more about what you and others are facing, what you see as being completely messed up, and how you'd like things to be. These days, even established researchers are promoting the idea of listening to "student voice" and using young people's feedback to make substantive changes to how things work. In particular, in the United Kingdom, is the website of such researchers, and is an organization devoted to student input into their education. In the U.S., organizations like and the fledgling one which is partially associated with School Survival,

Sometimes, the optimal answer is to get out of the system -- but this requires the cooperation of your parents if you're under a certain age, which is 16 in many states. In short, your parents can register you as homeschooled, in which case you may be able to learn on your own, along with a customized curriculum. In some cases, you can do virtual school, in which you do work and interact with the school online. What I did, was to completely blow off most work in junior high and high school, sinking into a dismal mental state, until I learned of the GED, which at 16 allowed me to drop out of school and enroll in college. That's one of the most unfortunate routes; as I was stuck during those years semi-conforming while in spirit not being into it at all. And, I'm convinced this has had a significantly detrimental effect on my cognitive and emotional development.

Although people, and young people especially, often have a huge amount of resilience -- the ability to bounce back from even traumatic circumstances -- they also face vital developmental windows of opportunity. In plain terms, what I mean is exactly what you're saying:
freak-of-nature13 Wrote:We are forced into a system of expected obiedience and our childhood being wasted down a damn dirty drain.
This is time, aside from the unhelpful constraints of school, to be used both as a positive experience of childhood and as a genuine chance to grow up at least partly on one's own terms and prepare for the future -- the future you will have to live with. This can, and should, be a basically wonderful experience, despite the incredible difficulties that occur even under optimal conditions. When conditions are not optimal -- when people are forced into conformity with an environment which is not a good match for them -- things are worse than they should have to be.

So, given what I understand at this point, I would suggest this: record and document your experiences. Share them on the web, and to the extent possible express your complaints to your parents, peers, and even teachers, especially if they show some real interest. I must say that such teachers do exist; even if they don't fully understand you or your needs, if they have some competence and a desire to help, they may be willing to adjust their preconceptions some. I'm not saying to get your hopes up too much, but it's worth giving some things a try.

Basically, I'm saying get your story told, and that you are not alone, even though your situation is surely unique in some respects. Don't give up on life -- on making the most of it -- no matter how hard school, or anything or anyone else makes it.

So, what do you need to make that happen? What would help you to improve your situation? The answers probably differ a lot but let's see what we can do! (I'm on an enthuisiasm wave, I guess. Laugh)

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RE: school I know soooo obvious...

I thought I would revive this thread to see if there would be more discussion. Also...

Dear xcriteria of 2005,


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Dang it, I thought Freak had come back!

Freak actually now attends the University of Wisconsin-Madison, I think. I think xcriteria has Freak as a friend on Facebook.


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RE: school I know soooo obvious...

Why ppl attending UW Madison?

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