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The problem is that the effects of school aren't completely visible. Teachers rarely realize they are not helping students as well as they could and those that realize have few chances to help. All this is about the general structure of school not the particulars. Teachers are quick to see what parts of a curriculum are doing better than others and those that need changing. They can criticize the way certain things must be marked or done and tell the school board or DOE. But they rarely see that marking, separation into grades, and compulsory school in general is the problem.
The situation is akin to the anarchists vs. statists. The majority of people want states to exist and think it's crazy to even think of living without them. The things accepted by a near majority of the population are very hard to argue with people against because they will just keep shutting their brains off or making ridiculous arguments. But because the majority of the population believes in these things, the shitty excuses are allowed.
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Kirby Wrote:The problem is that the effects of school aren't completely visible. Teachers rarely realize they are not helping students as well as they could and those that realize have few chances to help. All this is about the general structure of school not the particulars. Teachers are quick to see what parts of a curriculum are doing better than others and those that need changing. They can criticize the way certain things must be marked or done and tell the school board or DOE. But they rarely see that marking, separation into grades, and compulsory school in general is the problem.
The situation is akin to the anarchists vs. statists. The majority of people want states to exist and think it's crazy to even think of living without them. The things accepted by a near majority of the population are very hard to argue with people against because they will just keep shutting their brains off or making ridiculous arguments. But because the majority of the population believes in these things, the shitty excuses are allowed.
Okay, I can agree with that.
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SoulRiser Wrote:It's a tough choice. Should I pick the first 'no', or the second 'no'? I don't know. I might have to think about this for a while.
Just go with what Wolf said o_0
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OverFjell Wrote:Just go with what Wolf said o_0
I voted before Wolf added that option
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School can have the effects that Cosbydaf described.
But as Kirby pointed out they were never intentions, they are simply the results of their actions.
To say that they set out to do the opposite of what they accomplished and then are stubborn enough to refuse to change their ways certainly does imply that they effectively do what Cosbydaf wrote.
(Edited to correct an Error, not the original statement)
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05-11-2007 10:27 AM |
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Actually institutionalized school was started for the reasons Cosbydaf listed but the people who championed it are long dead. The problem is that we are left dealing with this system that has existed for many years and most people see as necessary. The problem is not a public school system, it is the principles that the current school system is based upon. No one in any department of education tries to make the population stupid pliable but, like I said, we are left dealing with a system that was meant to do so.
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Kirby Wrote:Actually institutionalized school was started for the reasons Cosbydaf listed but the people who championed it are long dead. The problem is that we are left dealing with this system that has existed for many years and most people see as necessary. The problem is not a public school system, it is the principles that the current school system is based upon. No one in any department of education tries to make the population stupid pliable but, like I said, we are left dealing with a system that was meant to do so.
That sounds about right.
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