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tock172 · 08-23-2007 06:15 AM

I know I have only been here for a few days and believe me I love this place. However, I really just have to ask this, are we ever going to get anything done to change the system? Are we ever going to make a difference? Maybe not us, but people stuck in school everywhere, are we ever going to change this obsolete system? I would really like to see changes, but I can definitely see how that would be hard.

So do you any of you see a future for any of this?

Darthmat · 08-23-2007 06:16 AM

no, unfortunatley i don't.

**SoulRiser** · 08-23-2007 06:56 AM

I think at this point in time, we can only really make a difference to one person at a time. Just knowing that school is stupid kinda makes it harmless. Sort of. Most people are still too attached to the idea that school IS education, so trying to change their minds will mostly be a waste of time. So rather focus on the ones that hate it, but don't necessarily know it's stupid.

Will · 08-23-2007 07:22 AM

I think it would be a lot easier for you to become rich and famous because you know that the school system is bad than it would be for you to change it. After you get rich and famous, you can tell people how you got rich and famous, and they'll see why the school system is bad.

Darthmat · 08-23-2007 07:23 AM

but the odds of that happening are?

Will · 08-23-2007 08:10 AM

darthmat Wrote:but the odds of that happening are?

I was actually wondering. What if we come up with some precise, easy-to-measure definition of "success" and then find the proportion of the population that is successful. Then, we multiply it by the number of people who use this site. That will be an estimate of the probability that one of us will become successful. Of course, we aren't normal people, so it would be really cool if we could take the original measurement from only people who openly hate school with a passion.

Darthmat · 08-23-2007 08:16 AM

yeh, good luck with that.

(why is it every time i come here i feall dumber and dumber? Sad

)

thoughtmaker · 08-23-2007 05:39 PM

if we get the majority of kids to realize school is bad and just stop going or drop out, then the rest of the world will be forced to change.

**SoulRiser** · 08-24-2007 02:29 AM

thoughtmaker Wrote:if we get the majority of kids to realize school is bad and just stop going or drop out, then the rest of the world will be forced to change.

Amen. The only problem is their parents, and whether or not they will throw a tantrum at the idea of quitting school...

Darthmat · 08-24-2007 02:31 AM

no way would the majority of prnts do it. to stubborn and focused on thier own ideas (like we are)

NiteRaidah · 08-24-2007 02:59 AM

Change might eventually happen, but it isn't going to be anytime soon, sadly. If we start now, we can make things better for the next generation of youth.

The process to achieve change is going to be long and difficult, but the fruits of victory shall be sweet. Pirate

Darthmat · 08-24-2007 03:03 AM

Freak · 08-24-2007 08:29 AM

I've been having fantasies where there's a coup in the government. (Implemented by... well us, I guess)
But we'd need lots of adults and kids.
We need adults because it'll be easier to infiltrate. Not to mention once we have control over the government, we'd have to make it public... and then adults would probably listen more to other adults then kids.
Oh well.
It was a fantasy.

tock172 · 08-24-2007 01:35 PM

LittleFreak14 Wrote:I've been having fantasies where there's a coup in the government. (Implemented by... well us, I guess)
But we'd need lots of adults and kids.
We need adults because it'll be easier to infiltrate. Not to mention once we have control over the government, we'd have to make it public... and then adults would probably listen more to other adults then kids.
Oh well.
It was a fantasy.

Well I would have to agree with you there. Unfortunately I don't really see it happening either, but I can always dream of that day where I stand up to these fuckers.

Darthmat · 08-24-2007 09:51 PM

coup?

Liquid · 08-28-2007 01:44 AM

A group I used to be in had a "coup" idea .... it was the back up plan for a mass student "insurrection" .... if the government interfered....

is anyone here from the old iaa?

Bob Dole · 08-28-2007 04:03 AM

The IAA? Tell me more.

Abandoning Ship · 08-28-2007 04:04 AM

Anonymous1.0 Wrote:The IAA? Tell me more.

Same here, I'm interested.

Darthmat · 08-28-2007 06:30 AM

Liquid Wrote:A group I used to be in had a "coup" idea .... it was the back up plan for a mass student "insurrection" .... if the government interfered....

is anyone here from the old iaa?

Liquid · 08-29-2007 02:23 AM

IAA = Insurrectional "Army" of America (aka "The Insurrection")

not that it matters anymore... we never had enough people and it fell apart last year....

Rebelnerd · 08-29-2007 03:29 AM

What was their plan?

Liquid · 08-30-2007 02:42 AM

To recruit a core group at every high school and collage and junior highs if possible. those groups then set the "atmosphere" and get more people to join. they inspire/dare/ask most of the students there to go on strike on a certain day. (and to keep it secret till then.) Then every school rebels on the same day. "Insurrection Day" we'd be able to force the "educational" system to come to terms with us.

The back up plan was that if the government intervened somewere, the other core groups could lead everyone out of the schools and overrun city hall and the police armories (take roit gear and bullet prof vests...) also use the dispatcher transmiters to jam the police radios. possibly use radio stations for jamming too. ....the entire system might come to terms - even if we lost they'd be in fear of it happening again... Things would get better or worse - if worse then we do it again and hit the government with a "real" insurrection...

IMO - A real "revolution" will probibly happen someday anyway - but the longer it takes to happen the bloodier it will be.

Rebelnerd · 08-30-2007 02:45 AM

that would be incredible if that happened, but i seriously doubt enough people would do it. and overunning police armories doesn't seem like the kind of thing that most school kids would be up for. i'm sure some would be willing, but again i just don't think there would be enough.

Darthmat · 08-30-2007 02:52 AM

i am one of those kids who would be to chicken.

Bob Dole · 08-30-2007 03:47 AM

Hell, that sounds like a fairly decent plan. But recruitment is a problem. But hey, you never know if you don't try, right?

Abandoning Ship · 08-30-2007 07:00 AM

Anonymous1.0 Wrote:Hell, that sounds like a fairly decent plan. But recruitment is a problem. But hey, you never know if you don't try, right?

Damn right. Sounds like a good plan. If things ever get horribly bad (And they are getting that way...) then we should set that plan into motion.

Darthmat · 08-30-2007 07:11 AM

Liquid Wrote:To recruit a core group at every high school and collage and junior highs if possible. those groups then set the "atmosphere" and get more people to join. they inspire/dare/ask most of the students there to go on strike on a certain day. (and to keep it secret till then.) Then every school rebels on the same day. "Insurrection Day" we'd be able to force the "educational" system to come to terms with us.

The back up plan was that if the government intervened somewere, the other core groups could lead everyone out of the schools and overrun city hall and the police armories (take roit gear and bullet prof vests...) also use the dispatcher transmiters to jam the police radios. possibly use radio stations for jamming too. ....the entire system might come to terms - even if we lost they'd be in fear of it happening again... Things would get better or worse - if worse then we do it again and hit the government with a "real" insurrection...

IMO - A real "revolution" will probibly happen someday anyway - but the longer it takes to happen the bloodier it will be.

that sounds very cult-ish...

youvebeenthunderstruck · 08-30-2007 07:13 AM

oh BOO HOO. it reminds you barely of a cult, therefore it MUST be bad.

Darthmat · 08-30-2007 07:26 AM

good point, sorry.

It's just that i read a book this year that was all anti-cult and nazi... but wtvr.

Rebelnerd · 08-30-2007 10:30 AM

I think the basic principle of it sounds good, but i just think that the idea of a bunch of kids trying to "overrun" police armories is suicide. as soon as the cops realize what's up they're going to set up defenses that the rebels wouldn't be able to break, and because of the hostile intentions of the kids it would be perfectly legal for the cops to open fire. i think that if we're going to even consider any last resort plan involving violence we need to arm ourselves ahead of time. trying to steal weapons from deep inside a police station once the revolution has been declared and the authorities are on high alert would be a pointless waste of lives.

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