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To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.
I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.
I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.
I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.
I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.
Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.
Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.
-SoulRiser
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I understand that some of you students hate school. I'm not saying school is bad or good. That's not the purpose of this article. The purpose of this article is to reveal why people are using propaganda to persuade you into liking compulsory education.
Why do adults think of school as good? When you're young, before you went to school, you may think of school as exciting or scary. Once you stay at school 6 hours a day for 5 days a week until elementary graduation (Count school breaks.), your feelings might change depending what school you go to. Once you graduate elementary school, you go to high school. Now this is when more students hate school because you get more homework AND you get the responsibility of doing homework for yourselves.
When you finish your education, you will have MUCH MORE responsibilities trying make a living. That means you spend MORE time trying to work (work takes more time than school; just ask adults), caring for your children (if you have one) and other kinds of things. When you retire, you are lucky enough to do what you REALLY want.
There you have it. This is why compulsory education is glamourized.
Xguy Wrote:Notice: Whatever's your opinion is yours. I'm saying that the "zero tolerance" policy for swearing is bad and I hope you will agree with me, but you can make up your own mind.
My teacher has this "zero tolerance" policy for swearing. His punishment for just ONE swear word is no lunch hour, and even worse, the swearing person doesn't even get LUNCH!!! He does not even allow substitutions for swear words. I don't swear, but I feel sorry for those who are punished for swearing. In fact, I even want to do something about this policy (This means I may start a revolution, propaganda, etc.)
What? Now you're talking as if you were not a student.
Xguy Wrote:When you finish your education, you will have MUCH MORE responsibilities trying make a living. That means you spend MORE time trying to work (work takes more time than school; just ask adults), caring for your children (if you have one) and other kinds of things. When you retire, you are lucky enough to do what you REALLY want.
There you have it. This is why compulsory education is glamourized.
The people who say this have a point. As an adult, you have to work, pay bills, buy food and other necessities, and take care of your living space and family if you have one. School students typically don't have to do all these things (some, though).
And now the big "But": ...but, working longer hours and raising a family are not necessarily bad things. If you have a job you enjoy, work becomes a very good thing. Because school offers little diversity in terms of what students can learn, most students find it unenjoyable. Work, however, is very diverse and full of different choices and possibilities. There's a wide variety of jobs out there, and chances are, if you look hard enough, you'll find a job you enjoy. Even if it takes up more time than school, an enjoyable job is a positive thing. Much more positive than school, in my opinion.
Quote:And now the big "But": ...but, working longer hours and raising a family are not necessarily bad things. If you have a job you enjoy, work becomes a very good thing. Because school offers little diversity in terms of what students can learn, most students find it unenjoyable. Work, however, is very diverse and full of different choices and possibilities. There's a wide variety of jobs out there, and chances are, if you look hard enough, you'll find a job you enjoy. Even if it takes up more time than school, an enjoyable job is a positive thing. Much more positive than school, in my opinion.
This is win.
I think fear of going against the norm is what keeps these people from finding work that they genuinely enjoy. They just keep whatever they find and consider themselves lucky that they have a "good job", no matter how much it actually sucks. And then to make themselves feel better about their shitty situation, they argue with anyone who might be suggesting that they're doing it wrong.
Support School Survival on Patreon or Donate Bitcoin Here: 1Q5WCcxWjayniaL92b8GfXBiGdfjmnUNa2 "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." - André Paul Guillaume Gide "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination." - Albert Einstein "I'm pretty sure there's a lot of beauty that can only be found in the mind of a lunatic." - TheCancer EIPD - Emotionally Incompetent Parent Disorder
I just think the primary reason why (many, but not all) adults see school as a positive thing is selective memory. They think of their youth and remember only the good things, few of the bad.
Another huge cause is the confusion of school with education or learning. Anyone who spends a little time at these forums will quickly know the difference, but man of the adults don't. I also agree that learning and education is good. Many adults (and even some of our peers) will make the deduction that that means school is also good. Wrong! But it's a common mistake.
And perhaps the third reason is that many just never questioned it. They've just had school is good shoved down their throats all their lives, and simply adapt the idea as a value of theirs.
Puchiko Wrote:And perhaps the third reason is that many just never questioned it. They've just had school is good shoved down their throats all their lives, and simply adapt the idea as a value of theirs.
I'd see the main reason as this, if you are a child and is told by everyone you know/trust(Like parents and grandparents for example, or friends) that school is good then even if you hate it, you will end up thinking it's good for you and in some cases that stuff you hate are good for you.
(02-22-2010 08:52 AM)Loxor Wrote: Because they remember it from THEIR TIME
It was objectively worse then.
Hidden stuff:
"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.
Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.
There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?
Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.
Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?
Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.
Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman
02-03-2017 09:27 PM
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(02-22-2010 12:21 PM)The Desert Fox Wrote: Because all they have been told their whole life is that school is good, and now that they are older they can't imagine things any other way.
Basically this.
Hidden stuff:
"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.
Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.
There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?
Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.
Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?
Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.
Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman
02-06-2017 01:37 PM
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Marlena403
School Lover
Posts: 248
Joined: Aug 2016
Support School Survival on Patreon or Donate Bitcoin Here: 1Q5WCcxWjayniaL92b8GfXBiGdfjmnUNa2 "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." - André Paul Guillaume Gide "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination." - Albert Einstein "I'm pretty sure there's a lot of beauty that can only be found in the mind of a lunatic." - TheCancer EIPD - Emotionally Incompetent Parent Disorder
I usually do not prefer to post on very old threads, but I will excuse this one. Personally for me. My dad doesn't want to see his children work hard like he does. And he wants to see us earn more money. And yes they do not like going against the norm. I pray to Jesus to give strength to the kids and make them ask, "what if i don't want to go to school?" I pray the parents can be less harsh on them for not wanting to continue and still love them.
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