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A Poll about liq3.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Die.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
He doesent seem to annoy me.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
no. he's annoying, but we've had MUCH worse.
I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
--monkey666-- Wrote:He doesent seem to annoy me.
Me neither, I never see anything annoying from him.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Though you can be a little pushy and over-defensive about your beliefs sometimes, you don't annoy me. You're clearly very intelligent, and when your posts aren't about SR, ad hominems, and 9/11, I tend to agree with them  . You give pretty good advice, you have an open mind, and you're quite knowledgeable when it comes to self-improvement....and you're cool for having the audacity to drop out of college (or TAFE, whatever). 
By the way, you're also on my " 'friends' aka people I respect" list.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Liq3 = Annoying?
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Wolfeh Wrote:|55555| Wrote:Liq3 = Annoying?
People need to read more of my posts.
The difference between you and him is that you try to troll.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Wolfeh Wrote:|55555| Wrote:Liq3 = Annoying?
People need to read more of my posts.
The difference between you and him is that you try to troll.
No. I just try to be annoying, which I think I succeeded at. If I actually tried trolling, this place would be pwned. 
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
EDIT:
pfft..I take that back.
Don't want to get dragged into some kind of "obnoxious" flame war.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
No.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Quote:no. he's annoying, but we've had MUCH worse.
QFT 
Nah, kidding. I agree more with what Dreamer said. This:
Quote:You're clearly very intelligent, and when your posts aren't about SR, ad hominems, and 9/11, I tend to agree with them . You give pretty good advice, you have an open mind, and you're quite knowledgeable when it comes to self-improvement....and you're cool for having the audacity to drop out of college (or TAFE, whatever).
And for some really weird reason, you're on my friends list. 
*DELETE DELETE DELETE*
kidding. 
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
While I don't agree with much he has to say, and while I think he can be a pompous ass at times, I don't think liq's that bad.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
See, this always struck me as strange... It's like just because we don't agree with someone, suddenly they become lower than us. As long as the other side has a reasonable objection that they can back up, why should we get offended on any level at all or think they're stupid?
And no, I wasn't trying to name names, just an obvious observation in almost every corner of life.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Stratovarius Wrote:See, this always struck me as strange... It's like just because we don't agree with someone, suddenly they become lower than us. As long as the other side has a reasonable objection that they can back up, why should we get offended on any level at all or think they're stupid?
And no, I wasn't trying to name names, just an obvious observation in almost every corner of life.
NiteRaidah Wrote:While I don't agree with much he has to say, and while I think he can be a pompous ass at times, I don't think liq's that bad.
Interesting...
And thanks to all the people who... complimented me. 
I just realised. I think all the people who 'don't like' me, I have disagree'd with at one point. I notice that people like Soul and dreamer don't really participate in the SR or 9/11 arguments. This seems to imply that my different beliefs (and method of expressing them) has got some people undie's in a knot.
Excellent. 
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
liq3 Wrote:Stratovarius Wrote:See, this always struck me as strange... It's like just because we don't agree with someone, suddenly they become lower than us. As long as the other side has a reasonable objection that they can back up, why should we get offended on any level at all or think they're stupid?
And no, I wasn't trying to name names, just an obvious observation in almost every corner of life.
NiteRaidah Wrote:While I don't agree with much he has to say, and while I think he can be a pompous ass at times, I don't think liq's that bad.
Interesting...
And thanks to all the people who... complimented me.
I just realised. I think all the people who 'don't like' me, I have disagree'd with at one point. I notice that people like Soul and dreamer don't really participate in the SR or 9/11 arguments. This seems to imply that my different beliefs (and method of expressing them) has got some people undie's in a knot.
Excellent.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Your beliefs don't really cause any problem with me. But, as you said, your method of expressing them is very frustrating.
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Casualty of Society Wrote:Your beliefs don't really cause any problem with me. But, as you said, your method of expressing them is very frustrating.
Yah, it's probably cause I'm not actually trying to convince you I am correct. That's rather impossible. I'm mostly doing it for practice arguing. I find it kinda enjoyable.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Wolfeh Wrote:So getting people's "undies in a knot" will end up biting you in the ass. And however much I love the idea of riling up some feathers in a debate, it is not an effective way to gain support for your opinions.
I'm not trying to gain support. If I was trying to do that, I'd read books about persuasion tactics. I'm trying to have a logical debate. The problem is that almost every reply has a fallacy in it, or just shows the person lacks knowledge about the topic. The people I'm arguing with usually have too much pride to admit to either. I've only met 3 people that aren't, and they aren't on this forum.
Of course, you get people like Soul who are smart enough to avoid the fallacy ridden debating.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
 Sorry, but this too funny. Wolfeh Wrote:In the end it won't matter how logical you think you are if everyone else thinks you're a pompous ass caught up in your own ego.
While true, that is an ad hominem.
Honestly, I'm not sure what the reason people get so ticked off with me is. I strongly believe it's because they know I'm right and are basically in denial about it.
I used to reply calming to people's arguments, but lately it's been nothing but fallacy after fallacy, and I just got sick of it after a while. No matter how calm and logical I was, they'd keep hitting me with fallacies. Arguing with them was pointless, and got no where.
So now, I'm a complete ass when people start using fallacies. If you can't take the heat, stop with the fallacies.
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
God, why did this have to turn into an SR debate. 
Wolfeh Wrote:then use certain beliefs as a scapegoat to not have to explain yourself when your logic is driven into a corner.
SR isn't falsifiable. Why do you think I've been calling everyone illogical idiots? *facepalm*
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They are fools for arguing it, just like I'm a fool for getting baited into arguing it. We're all fools. Deal with it.
P.S. The only difference is that I avoid fallacies like the plague, and when someone points out that I did make one, I admit to it (after double checking).
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
Quote:I notice that people like Soul and dreamer don't really participate in the SR or 9/11 arguments.
There's a simple reason for that... those arguments kill braincells really fast, and I'd like to keep my braincells intact. 
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Re: A Poll about liq3.
SoulRiser Wrote:Quote:I notice that people like Soul and dreamer don't really participate in the SR or 9/11 arguments.
There's a simple reason for that... those arguments kill braincells really fast, and I'd like to keep my braincells intact.
Kill braincells? IT MAKES THEM.
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