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youvebeenthunderstruck · 11-07-2008 01:22 PM

I really want to know, from those of you on the forum who do think being gay is morally wrong. I think it's so supremely stupid and fucking ignorant to hold that belief. What about the great bisexual/gay people throughout history? Does the fact that they were a certain orientation invalidate everything they did? What about gay people in general? An intelligent person who's gay is suddenly going to burn in hell for it? You idiots need to back this up once and for all because to be honest I'm fucking sick of it. You take one line from the Bible and that's your justificiation. Well good job, but I think you're full of shit.

Darthmat · 11-07-2008 10:33 PM

Leviticus 18:22 Wrote:'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

It says it al right there. Duh.

Gobinu · 11-08-2008 12:23 AM

I consider myself rather lose minded when it comes to that topic. Why? I simply believe that people who says that being gay is moraly wrong are simply not worth talking to (although I can talk with people who say tht it is not compleatly "natural"). And that topic is pointless tbh cause it is just another oportunity to fight with extreme christians and other "strange" guys...

random_name · 11-08-2008 02:40 AM

i dont see the problem with bieing gay / bi. and i also dont see how it is anyone elses buisness what someones preferences are.

Rebelnerd · 11-08-2008 05:44 AM

I have no problem with people who are against gays. What bothers me is that they try and turn these feelings into laws, and control the lives of people who have nothing do to with them. If you're against gay marriage, than just don't marry someone who's the same sex. It's that simple. Just ignore the people who do.

SleeperAwakes · 11-08-2008 04:01 PM

The choice is ultimately up to the person.
I have nothing against gays as individuals. But I've been led to wonder why any would think there was something to gain from such relationships.
It's never really made sense to me.

vonunov · 11-08-2008 07:44 PM

I assume you're not gay.
What do you gain from your relationships?

Kaylingrl_1 · 11-09-2008 01:49 AM

A lot of Christians think that being gay/bi is wrong because of the line that Darthmat quoted, and because of a few others, but in the New Testament, I believe that Jesus says that the old law has passed away and a new has come. I understand that there's a difference between moral law and ceremonial law, but... A lot of those laws were necessary in that culture in that time, but aren't now. Times change, people change, etc.

A few good resources I've found are createdgay.com and gaychristian.com
They both have good resources, especially gaychristian.com.

Squittle · 11-09-2008 12:40 PM

SleeperAwakes Wrote:The choice is ultimately up to the person.
I have nothing against gays as individuals. But I've been led to wonder why any would think there was something to gain from such relationships.
It's never really made sense to me.

Well, first off, it's not exactly a choice... I mean, that's exactly like saying straight people choose to be straight. As far as I know, I didn't wake up one day and say "I think I'm going to like girls", so why should it be assumed that gay people did that for guys?

Also, they get in the relationship because they love their partner, not because they think there's something to gain from it. I realize that you're not bashing gays, just pointing some things out.

Squittle · 11-09-2008 12:44 PM

Rebelnerd Wrote:I have no problem with people who are against gays. What bothers me is that they try and turn these feelings into laws, and control the lives of people who have nothing do to with them. If you're against gay marriage, than just don't marry someone who's the same sex. It's that simple. Just ignore the people who do.

Yeah, I think people who are against gay marriage have 1. Never read the first amendment (it says it right in there: "Congress shall make no law respecting one religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"), and 2. Should just ignore gay marriage, if they're that opposed to it. If you don't like gay marriage, then don't go to a church that allows it. They really need to get the fuck over it; some people, in life, are going to be gay, and some are going to be straight, and black, and white, and atheist, and Christian, and Muslim, and Jewish, Liberal, Conservative; the list goes on, and they need to deal with it. People are different.

thewake · 11-09-2008 01:06 PM

That's really nice thunder.
People will always do bad things. A gay person is just as much of a sinner as I am, as you as, as a murderer is. The things they do aren't invalidated because they are gay, as the things I do aren't invalidated because I am lustful and selfish.

Oh, and I believe gay people will be in Heaven, adulterers will be in Heaven, and even Hitler may be in Heaven if he took the necessary precautions.

A gay person is just as much a human as I am, and just as much a sinner as me.

youvebeenthunderstruck · 11-09-2008 01:08 PM

Why the "nice, thunder" then? As per what you described, you don't think it's immoral at all. The people I have an issue with are people who do think that, because it's such a ridiculous point of view. I can invalidate that argument within about 5 seconds, so why people insist on it is beyond me.

SleeperAwakes · 11-10-2008 09:01 AM

I can understand being gay is not a choice for many people. Here, I wasn't specific.
It is the acting on their desires that ultimately defines whether or not people want to be around them. It is the reason people act on their impulses that has never been clear to me as being viable.

Quote:I assume you're not gay.
What do you gain from your relationships?

I gain friendship and trust from my relationships. I give respect and acceptance and expect people to respect who I am in turn. If someone is gay, it should not define who they are. It just proves to be another thing that makes them different, like eye color or skin tone.

arthasmenethil · 11-11-2008 04:47 AM

I never could understand why people thinks it's wrong to be gay. Only thing I've heard is the biblical arguement or the
they can't reproduce" arguement. Both are insanely stupid to me.

thewake · 11-11-2008 08:53 AM

youvebeenthunderstruck Wrote:Why the "nice, thunder" then? As per what you described, you don't think it's immoral at all. The people I have an issue with are people who do think that, because it's such a ridiculous point of view. I can invalidate that argument within about 5 seconds, so why people insist on it is beyond me.

I don't think it's a good think to do, so yes it is immoral.
But what is more immoral is forcing someone to live morally, they must find morality on their own.

youvebeenthunderstruck · 11-11-2008 09:16 AM

W-Dog32 Wrote:
youvebeenthunderstruck Wrote:Why the "nice, thunder" then? As per what you described, you don't think it's immoral at all. The people I have an issue with are people who do think that, because it's such a ridiculous point of view. I can invalidate that argument within about 5 seconds, so why people insist on it is beyond me.
I don't think it's a good think to do, so yes it is immoral.
But what is more immoral is forcing someone to live morally, they must find morality on their own.

OK, so you aren't thinking of making laws against it, good. But it's clear that you think it's immoral simply because you're a Christian and simply from the bible amongst other hogwash.

thewake · 11-11-2008 09:28 AM

I'm actually pretty apathetic personally, other than the grossness of male+male sex. The Bible does say it, but I tend to rely on the results of prayer more than the book.

Squittle · 12-28-2008 03:29 AM

youvebeenthunderstruck Wrote:An intelligent person who's gay is suddenly going to burn in hell for it?

I get the feeling that all intelligent people are going to burn in hell.

liq3 · 12-28-2008 04:04 AM

W-Dog32 Wrote:I'm actually pretty apathetic personally, other than the grossness of male+male sex. The Bible does say it, but I tend to rely on the results of prayer more than the book.

Confusing Cause and Effect.

This post is brought to you by Learn a Logical Fallacy a Day.

Milk2Go · 12-29-2008 08:26 AM

Quote:Person A: I think there's nothing wrong with being gay, and I think we should treat them as equals.
Person B: How the fuck can you say that!? Homosexuality is wrong and against the Bible! We need to end homosexual tolerance and their horrible agenda now!
A: How about this: the people that don't like it stay away from homosexuality?
B: ...What?
A: If you don't like gays, that's fine, but why don't you just avoid gays instead of forcing your opinions on others?
B: ...I don't understand. What are you trying to say?
A: If you don't like gays, that's fine, but why don't you just avoid gays instead of forcing your opinions on others?
B:

That's how it works 100% of the time.

youvebeenthunderstruck · 12-29-2008 12:49 PM

Meh. I'm sorry for this topic. It's a little too agressive.

Squittle · 12-29-2008 01:05 PM

What do you mean?

Zstriker · 02-25-2009 01:49 PM

You know, when it comes down to it, I could care less. The only thing I don't get is the whole "gay marriage" thing. Now, before I get yelled at from both sides of the table, I feel I should aptly explain. Marriage is a religious concept and ceremony, so technically government can't say or do anything about it. On that note the government taxes married couples differently, and I don't agree with that, but still, supposedly religion is like the plague; no touchy. On the note of the bible quote, technically that only applies to Christians who use the old testament, and the bible says there are other religions people have, and people should be treated equally and such anyway. Now that I think of it the bible says 'Don't kill peoples, it's bad' but it also says to 'be a good soldier'... But either way, if it doesn't affect you leave it alone.

returnal · 02-25-2009 10:51 PM

Darthmat Wrote:
Leviticus 18:22 Wrote:'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

It says it al right there. Duh.

The problem is, it's just a text from a book. Just a regular book written by regular people back waaaay long ago when people were much more regular. If many people believe in just that book, why not treat the characters from …Tom Sawyer as gods?

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Just a question.

Oh, and I see nothing wrong with gay/lesbian/bi/trans people, but not only just because I'm gay myself.

Jackass McAwesome · 02-26-2009 02:53 PM

Zstriker Wrote:... but it also says to 'be a good soldier'...

There's more than one way to be a soldier. It's not all killing and mutilation.

seniors09 · 02-26-2009 02:56 PM

i think people who think being gay is wrong, are dumb shits!

i am not gay, but i am not homophobic, i think everyone is intitlted to their own opinions, but shouldnt judge, yes you may not like the idea that people can be gay and are gay, but you dont need to kick up a big stink about it.

i think being gay is wrong and it doesnt mean a thing, and people should get over themselves,
well thats my opinion anyway Smile

Mono · 02-27-2009 11:10 AM

The answer is obvious, durr.

But seriously, I have nothing against gay people and I am in support of gay marriage.

However, I do believe that if a gay couple wanted a religious ceremony that they should respect the rules of the religion. I know that there are a few faiths that believe same-sex relationships are immoral.

Gay people should have, at the very least, the right to a recognized legal union.

Zstriker · 02-27-2009 05:51 PM

I agree completely, the tax benefits alone make it worth it. Soldiers do do other things, true, but in the end a soldier is the guy with the spear, wielding it against the guy with the sword and rock.

Zstriker · 06-30-2009 07:20 PM

I fear I may have killed this thread....

NowhereWoman · 07-01-2009 08:33 AM

Well lots of girls will say 'hurhurhur I'm bi' because they want guys to want them more.
A lot of guys will think (not trying to be sexist, not all guys think this way)
'hurhur, she doesit/makesoutwith girls, that's hot, hurhur' and go out with those girls more often.
It's sad because those girls are often needy and make stupid choices.

I think the issue is less about homosexuality and more about love in general.
I can't just say 'oh, I love this chick now' any more than I could say 'oh, I love this guy now!'
Sure, I could ask a girl out, be untrue to my real feelings and try to make others THINK I was gay/bi, but I'm not, so I won't.
It's about LOVE.
It's not a choice to fall in love with someone of either sex.
But it IS a choice how to express that love.
That's where the trouble starts.
I don't mind if two men or two women are in a relationship or even get married. I don't think it will make my future marriage any less special if we share the title 'married' with some gay couples.
But some people do have a problem with that, and whatever, that's their belief.
But really, it's nobody's business. IT'S NOT OUR/THEIR RELATIONSHIP.

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