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assaultmedic · 02-28-2009 03:14 PM

and there never will be so enjoy life while you can

classclown · 02-28-2009 03:17 PM

the sad truth has been spoken

Jackass McAwesome · 02-28-2009 04:02 PM

Utopias are a physical impossibilty due to how they're defined. As I recall, Utopia is "A society that includes every aspect of it" or something. Effectively contradictive things such as intolerance and tolerance have to exist together in order for a Utopia to exist.

Faby · 02-28-2009 05:20 PM

Fine. Just don't use this argument 300 times per second.
On another forum I've talked about anarchy and the fact that people need common sense, not leadership. And of course, the only answer I got was "humanity is imperfect and needs a leader". A leader who is as human and therefore as imperfect as everybody else.

Sorry for the offtopic.

Mono · 03-01-2009 04:03 AM

I've been thinking about this a lot lately

Utopia in Greek means "not place" meaning that it is meant to be a place that will never be achieved.

Eutopia, is a place that is perfect but not fictional.

In my head, I can't come up with a perfect answer to the question "is Eutopia possible?" I believe that in order for Eutopia to exist, all of the citizens would have to live with complete compassion and without desire.

It's a difficult concept to grasp, to live without desire would remove everything that is human about us. Human life is riddled with problems that cause desire and as a result, suffering. Disease, death, old age and pain all mean suffering and living without them is impossible.

I think Eutopia should be viewed as a goal to work towards, while it will never be achieved, aspiring towards it will make the world a better place.

**SoulRiser** · 03-01-2009 09:47 AM

Quote:I think Eutopia should be viewed as a goal to work towards, while it will never be achieved, aspiring towards it will make the world a better place.

This. Like unconditional love, it's impossible for humans to get it 100% perfect, but that doesn't mean it isn't still worth working on.

Faby · 03-01-2009 09:59 PM

Mono Wrote:It's a difficult concept to grasp, to live without desire would remove everything that is human about us. Human life is riddled with problems that cause desire and as a result, suffering. Disease, death, old age and pain all mean suffering and living without them is impossible.

Yeah, exactly. But what bothers me is that if you tell people, for example, that humans are entirely capable of ruling themselves if they have common sense, they immediately spurt out "ooooh, that will never happen, people are imperfect and need a leader!". A human leader, who is as imperfect as every other human. Just because said leader is better than others in certain areas, how can you be sure that he/she won't simply go crazy whenever he/she feels like it, and fuck up everything? You can't trust another person to lead your life, you have to lead it yourself.

Using such excuses only make you appear lazy, and if you go by this logic, then why aren't we living in caves any longer? Why do we have computers? Why are we civilised?

Freak · 03-02-2009 03:57 AM

It's impossible to have a perfect society because it's impossible to have a perfect anything. There are 6 billion different human perceptions in this world, so someone's bound to disagree.

But that doesn't mean a realistic utopia can't exist. You just have to change you standards a bit..

NowhereWoman · 03-10-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:I think Eutopia should be viewed as a goal to work towards, while it will never be achieved, aspiring towards it will make the world a better place.

My dad and I were talking yesterday, and that's exactly, word for word, what I said about world peace.

returnal · 03-12-2009 08:25 AM

I've always been told about utopias.
And what are they?
They are big fat lies born out of the minds of those to weak to free themselves from their chains and use their brains.
Communist socialist fascist whatsthis.
It won't work as the world isn't perfect and it can't ever be.
It doesn't matter whatever you mean.

Goodbye and enjoy the rest of your life.

ooh, I made a rhyme! Giggle

Sociopath · 03-19-2009 02:35 AM

Its always POSSIBLE

AWOL · 03-19-2009 02:31 PM

I would, sadly, HATE living in a Utopia... Therefore it would not be a Utopia I suppose. Anyway, the reason is, things will be perfect, no need to do anything, no goals, no nothing... Nothing to fight, defend, cry over, get angry at, be jealous of, no way of feeling righteous superiority (admittedly the last one is rare). Utopia's take that which is human in us, the only thing truly perfect in any human. Without a sense of self, emotions, real role models, things would be boring, and in those like us, breed frustration and chaos.

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Freak · 03-20-2009 02:06 AM

I completely disagree with you.

Anyways, why not work towards a Utopia? You're right, it may never be achieved (well, will never with its current definition) but even if you don't achieve a full Utopia, what you'd end up with would be a whole lot better then what we have now.

HeartofShadows · 03-20-2009 03:13 AM

A utopia just couldn't exist because some despite popular belief love conflict and strife(People like my father).

Freak · 03-20-2009 10:01 AM

No, a Utopia can't exist because of something called 'perspective.' You can build a perfect society to your imagination, but 99% of the rest of the world will think it sucks.

Anyways, I think it'd be easier to create a more common definition (no poverty and exploitation of the weeks, some bullshit like that). And then even if you don't perfectly achieve that, you would still make the world much better then when you began. So you still win at least a bit..

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