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Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT - 03-11-2012 09:41 AM

I asked by student geometry teacher who I'm really close and personal with "What's the point of this anyway?"

He basically replies " The point of math is to help scientists and buisiness.Math, in turn is about business, it helps business basically."

Finally, an honest response. I think business is pretty retarded, and has destroyed the entire world and ruined my life.

The academics are about furthering business, it's not about knowledge, it's about furthering and empiric system of abstractions used to dominate the entire fucking world.

Id' rather think for myself, than rely on a petty, useless institution to.

Agreed?

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - cuttlefishCuller - 03-11-2012 09:50 AM

math is essential for science, engineering, medicine, and nearly every institution on the planet. Without math, none of the innovations around you would exist.

MATH IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL, YOU GUYS.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - magikarp - 03-11-2012 10:25 AM

Applied math is gross. It's like studying art just to make magazine ads.

I mean, obviously it is necessary, just aesthetically I can not be into it.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Stadium - 03-11-2012 10:29 AM

fuck math I'm steering clear of any professions having to do with math

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Efs - 03-11-2012 10:34 AM

Even though I'm struggling at it and hate Math to the death, it's actually A REALLY USEFUL SUBJECT.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - SaintVicious - 03-11-2012 11:19 AM

but how would you count money to buy your kfc

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Geeksta - 03-11-2012 11:23 AM

(03-11-2012 10:34 AM)Efs Wrote:  Even though I'm struggling at it and hate Math to the death, it's actually A REALLY USEFUL SUBJECT.

It's one of the few subjects I see a point in the schools trying to teach. Now if they'd just hire competent teachers...

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Miller0700 - 03-11-2012 11:34 AM

Simple math is a necessity everyone needs to know. Higher level math (like calculus, trigonometry, elementary functions, ETC) is pretty much required in fields of engineering, science and business, but if you aren't going into any of these fields, then higher level math is pointless for you. Your teacher is right.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Dirtbikemike - 03-12-2012 10:08 AM

(03-11-2012 11:23 AM)Geeksta Wrote:  Now if they'd just hire competent teachers...

YES!

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - IamNoone - 03-12-2012 11:53 AM

Math is a waste of time for most passed basic algebra. Those who are good at math and pick it up quickly, the same people that go on to use math in life and in careers, are capable of learning what is now stretched into years worth of math in a few months; maybe a year tops.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - 4r4b7 - 05-27-2012 10:28 PM

How are you supposed to function in life, without maths?

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Miller0700 - 05-27-2012 11:31 PM

(05-27-2012 10:28 PM)hahaha12345 Wrote:  How are you supposed to function in life, without maths?

Yeah, like any of us will ever use the Poisson Process in real life.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - HeartofShadows - 05-28-2012 12:01 AM

About time..

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Aya - 05-28-2012 12:06 AM

(03-11-2012 11:34 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Simple math is a necessity everyone needs to know. Higher level math (like calculus, trigonometry, elementary functions, ETC) is pretty much required in fields of engineering, science and business, but if you aren't going into any of these fields, planning on achieving anything in life. then higher level math is pointless for you. Your teacher is right.

Fixed.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Mælstrom - 05-28-2012 12:16 AM

It all depends on what you think are achievements. If you want a McMansion house with two cars in the suburbs, then become a lawyer, architect or accountant. If you want to explore the world and have a sense of adventure to your life, work odd jobs in the cities you encounter. It all goes down to individual's preference.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Miller0700 - 05-28-2012 12:18 AM

(05-28-2012 12:06 AM)Aya Wrote:  
(03-11-2012 11:34 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Simple math is a necessity everyone needs to know. Higher level math (like calculus, trigonometry, elementary functions, ETC) is pretty much required in fields of engineering, science and business, but if you aren't going into any of these fields, planning on achieving anything in life. then higher level math is pointless for you. Your teacher is right.

Fixed.




(05-27-2012 10:28 PM)derchin Wrote:  Yeah, like any of us will ever use the Poisson Process in real life.


RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Elfy - 05-28-2012 01:18 AM

(05-28-2012 12:16 AM)Cydonia Wrote:  If you want to explore the world and have a sense of adventure to your life, work odd jobs in the cities you encounter

This is very much easier said than done.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Mælstrom - 05-28-2012 01:33 AM

(05-28-2012 01:18 AM)Elfy Wrote:  
(05-28-2012 12:16 AM)Cydonia Wrote:  If you want to explore the world and have a sense of adventure to your life, work odd jobs in the cities you encounter

This is very much easier said than done.

Of course it is, but you have to sacrifice certain things in life to get to where you want to be.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - HeartofShadows - 05-28-2012 01:37 AM

(05-28-2012 12:06 AM)Aya Wrote:  
(03-11-2012 11:34 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Simple math is a necessity everyone needs to know. Higher level math (like calculus, trigonometry, elementary functions, ETC) is pretty much required in fields of engineering, science and business, but if you aren't going into any of these fields, planning on achieving anything in life. then higher level math is pointless for you. Your teacher is right.

Elitist add on.


Double fixed.
Kind of sad Aya that your obsessed with achieving.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Aya - 05-28-2012 02:49 AM

How am I obsessed. I just want to look back on my life in 60 years and say I did something with it.

(05-28-2012 01:18 AM)Elfy Wrote:  
(05-28-2012 12:16 AM)Cydonia Wrote:  If you want to explore the world and have a sense of adventure to your life, work odd jobs in the cities you encounter

This is very much easier said than done.

MFW it's actually easier for an engineer, scientist or business professional to move around and have those adventures then it is for some bumfuck who who has no marketable skills or abilities.

But I guess you can always do what every other unemployable 20-something does and move to Los Angeles.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Mælstrom - 05-28-2012 03:02 AM

I can see what you mean by that, but is it possible for you to talk about one thing you disagree about without insulting it to oblivion?

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - HeartofShadows - 05-28-2012 03:15 AM

(05-28-2012 02:49 AM)Aya Wrote:  How am I obsessed. I just want to look back on my life in 60 years and say I did something with it.

(05-28-2012 01:18 AM)Elfy Wrote:  
(05-28-2012 12:16 AM)Cydonia Wrote:  If you want to explore the world and have a sense of adventure to your life, work odd jobs in the cities you encounter

This is very much easier said than done.

MFW it's actually easier for an engineer, scientist or business professional to move around and have those adventures then it is for some bumfuck who who has no marketable skills or abilities.

But I guess you can always do what every other unemployable 20-something does and move to Los Angeles.

My cousin on one of my grandmas sisters side has her engineer degree and can't get a job worth shit(last offer she had was for a job was far away with shit pay and she would have to relocate herself).

At this rate I gotta agree with Cydonia though I shouldn't much talk.
Stepdad dropped out of high school and works for tyson meat company at 23 bucks an hour and is about to retire.

the school propaganda is strong Aya but whatever makes you feel better and don't you dare add me to that thread. Razz

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - 4r4b7 - 05-28-2012 04:03 AM

without maths, how will you even count your own fingers?

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Kirby - 05-28-2012 04:07 AM

I think people should learn calculus in high school even if they will never use it again. However there are many people who disagree with me which is why there needs to be a market in education. Parents will send their kids, hopefully with their approval, to a school that they think will be beneficial. If teaching math above algebra is found to be useless then there will be less schools that do so.

Note that when I say market it includes big corporations, local businesses, non-profit organizations, and even informal groups of homeschoolers.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Miller0700 - 05-28-2012 04:15 AM

A story of mine. Some of you might have heard it already.

After taking notes and going over problems on the board day in and day out for months, one kid got sick of how we had to complete the subject without question or opinion and asked that why did we need to learn this stuff in the first place. She also mentioned that she wouldn’t need it in her career (a lawyer) and pressured him to answer if his class was truly important to most ordinary people. Flat-out, he said no. My math teacher, my Elementary Functions teacher, told us to our faces that his course won’t be needed for common folk in real life. I don’t know how I can much I can stomp this fact into the ground. No one is saying that math isn’t needed nor important, so don’t even come down on me for that. But the fact that people assert that everyone need to know calculus or trigonometry, for no particular reason (other than bandwagoning) and even if they don’t need it in their careers, is absurd and quickly tiring.

For example, I want to be a writer. (inb4 people come down on it). English is what I really should be concerned about.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Aya - 05-28-2012 04:18 AM

cydonia Wrote:I can see what you mean by that, but is it possible for you to talk about one thing you disagree about without insulting it to oblivion?

I could, but then I would lose my rank as Queen Cunt of SS. We can't have that now can we?

(05-28-2012 03:15 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  My cousin on one of my grandmas sisters side has her engineer degree and can't get a job worth shit(last offer she had was for a job was far away with shit pay and she would have to relocate herself).

Ok what I'm about to say is going to sound really assholish. But I want you to know that for once I'm not trying to be snarky, that I'm just basing my comments on the experience I've had at work, where I actually interview and hire engineers for one of our clients.

Warning: bricks of text:

Hidden stuff:
1. What specific degree does she have? Mechanical, Electrical, Computer or something else. Not all engineering degrees are created equal. Nuclear & Petroleum engineers have good job prospects but thier jobs are limited to certain locations. Civil Engineers are the STEM equivelent of Communications majors.

2. Where was she asked to relocate to? With exception to Computer & software engineering, most positons available are concentrated in Colorado, Michigan, & Southern California. That's just a fact of life. Most companies will help a new recruit relocate to the project location. But if she's not willing to relocate, that's her problem, not theirs.

3. What pay was she offered? The average starting pay for a Jr. Engineer is $25 - $30/hr or $50 - $60K a year before taxes. Jobs out in California pay more (cost of living is so high) as do most Computer & Electrical engineering positions. But $50 - $60K is the Industry standard for Jr level people and even then, that's around $20K more than the american makes regardless of whether or not they have a college degree. Far too many people have this perception that just because they have a BSME that they're going to make 100K right out of the gate.

My response to these shitheads?

[Image: fuckthat.jpg]

Most engineers cap out at 100K. And that's after accumulating 20+ years of experience. Only Computer, Software & Electrical Engineers go higher on average, and even then, their cap is around $150K.

Quote:the school propaganda is strong Aya but whatever makes you feel better and don't you dare add me to that thread. Razz

>Dropped out of college... twice
>Will likely drop out a third time

I don't think my opinion is based on propaganda hun.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - Ami - 05-28-2012 04:20 AM

High end math is important to people who do stuff in high end math. Very basic math is important to everyone but is learned very easily and usually without school.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - HeartofShadows - 05-28-2012 04:49 AM

Third times the charm and you have a point(I didn't pay much to her whining as I was bored out of my mind but it was all about I worked hard and this degree was suppose to open doors, etc.

Just the future is never certain.
Even a *loser* may one day get the keys to the golden doors.

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - AWOL - 05-31-2012 10:32 PM

"Maths helps science and engineering, you know those things that are essentially the only two large driving forces of change between now and a hundred years ago?"
"HURR MYY TEECHER ADMITED MAFZ IZ ST0OPID LOLL"

RE: Teacher Finally Admits Math isn't necessary - HeartofShadows - 06-01-2012 03:38 AM

(05-31-2012 10:32 PM)AWOL Wrote:  "Maths helps science and engineering, you know those things that are essentially the only two large driving forces of change between now and a hundred years ago?"
"HURR MYY TEECHER ADMITED MAFZ IZ ST0OPID LOLL"

Lol Elitism is one hell of a drug.