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My school has a Wi-Fi network, but it sucks to say the very least!
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Well that sucks, good luck dude.
Where would you put this wireless router? Do you mean you'd connect it to a wired modem at school?
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...Haha oh wow. That sucks. Censorfags.
So much for fucking freedom. They steal your property and call it "confiscating".
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Okay...
A. They didn't suspend you for introducing vulnerabilities to the network?
B. Their network accepted packets from your wireless router?
C. There's a reason they don't let you use nerf guns in school. It's called liability. If you get hurt by one of the things, they get sued. Thank all of the lawsuit-happy jackasses. Not really the school's fault.

You also have either some of the nicest or most incompetent techs in the world at your school. Confiscating the router was actually justified in this case, just to see if there was any sort of malicious bullshit going on with an unsecured router that just popped up on their network.
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You know what? FUCK IT!!!!

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FightforRight Wrote:Okay...

You also have either some of the nicest or most incompetent techs in the world at your school. Confiscating the router was actually justified in this case, just to see if there was any sort of malicious bullshit going on with an unsecured router that just popped up on their network.

the router was secured and with the SSID Nazis broadcasting and was on for under 3 minutes. I get i back tommorow. Ive plugged it in at Internet cafes, my house, at my school when there was something going on at night. Its always been secured!
Okay, let's talk actions and consequences.

Unauthorized wireless routers sure as fuck wasn't secured from the school's IT employees' perspective. In fact, in corporate espionage, one of the best little tricks to gain unauthorized access to a network is to leave a little WAP behind, plugged into the network, not broadcasting an SSID.

Now, the tech guys are running a pretty loose, flexible setup. You can plug in any sort of device to the network and it'll work without any prior authorization. So there's no paperwork to do for any of the staff or students who need to plug a printer or laptop in for a quick bit. There's no security measures in place to make sure that you can't dick around with their network. They're nice guys, they figure they'll leave it mostly open so curious students can poke around and have some fun, and so they have to spend less time micromanaging the network.

Do you realize what you've done? By deciding that you wanted to be "rebellious", and broadcast the SSID "Nazis", you've risked bringing all that down and making for more work for the IT technicians and making subversion of the network harder for other students. Do you know how easy it is to lock down a network? It's time intensive, but by tomorrow, those aforementioned technicians could make it so that you can't use any computer system that isn't specifically preapproved by them. And they would be fully justified in doing it, because now that somebody's gone and done something stupid, they'll probably lose their job if they don't secure the network against such a thing happening again.

Because your technical description is lacking, I'm forced to assume that they use a RADIUS server to authenticate users on the wireless network, but due to some misconfiguration of their network on their part, it allows your rogue wireless router onto the network and to connect to the internet. Either that or a proxy server that serves up that aforementioned "questionnaire" before you're granted access to the Internet, as well as the bandwidth limit. Maybe a combination of both.

Oh, and here's another thing, your school has a limited bandwidth connection to the Internet. So whenever you and two dozen other people are on Youtube, streaming video, you're slowing the connection for everyone. Congratulations, you're disproportionately taking up network resources.

Also, picking up SSIDs from wireless access points or routers not broadcasting them is easy enough. Kismet.
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FightforRight Wrote:
pilotguy182 Wrote:
FightforRight Wrote:Okay...

You also have either some of the nicest or most incompetent techs in the world at your school. Confiscating the router was actually justified in this case, just to see if there was any sort of malicious bullshit going on with an unsecured router that just popped up on their network.

the router was secured and with the SSID Nazis broadcasting and was on for under 3 minutes. I get i back tommorow. Ive plugged it in at Internet cafes, my house, at my school when there was something going on at night. Its always been secured!
Okay, let's talk actions and consequences.

Unauthorized wireless routers sure as fuck wasn't secured from the school's IT employees' perspective. In fact, in corporate espionage, one of the best little tricks to gain unauthorized access to a network is to leave a little WAP behind, plugged into the network, not broadcasting an SSID.

Now, the tech guys are running a pretty loose, flexible setup. You can plug in any sort of device to the network and it'll work without any prior authorization. So there's no paperwork to do for any of the staff or students who need to plug a printer or laptop in for a quick bit. There's no security measures in place to make sure that you can't dick around with their network. They're nice guys, they figure they'll leave it mostly open so curious students can poke around and have some fun, and so they have to spend less time micromanaging the network.

Do you realize what you've done? By deciding that you wanted to be "rebellious", and broadcast the SSID "Nazis", you've risked bringing all that down and making for more work for the IT technicians and making subversion of the network harder for other students. Do you know how easy it is to lock down a network? It's time intensive, but by tomorrow, those aforementioned technicians could make it so that you can't use any computer system that isn't specifically preapproved by them. And they would be fully justified in doing it, because now that somebody's gone and done something stupid, they'll probably lose their job if they don't secure the network against such a thing happening again.

Because your technical description is lacking, I'm forced to assume that they use a RADIUS server to authenticate users on the wireless network, but due to some misconfiguration of their network on their part, it allows your rogue wireless router onto the network and to connect to the internet. Either that or a proxy server that serves up that aforementioned "questionnaire" before you're granted access to the Internet, as well as the bandwidth limit. Maybe a combination of both.

Oh, and here's another thing, your school has a limited bandwidth connection to the Internet. So whenever you and two dozen other people are on Youtube, streaming video, you're slowing the connection for everyone. Congratulations, you're disproportionately taking up network resources.

Also, picking up SSIDs from wireless access points or routers not broadcasting them is easy enough. Kismet.
Yeah? Well fuck it. If the IT guys lose their jobs, they deserve it for being assholes and supporting the school system by working there. If every teacher/staff member got fired for something like this then its a GOOD thing. No staff = No school. Pilotguy is doing the right thing here.
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Heh, I love it when people blame those who "cause" (when they do nothing wrong, though "rebellious"/against the rules) those in power to fuck shit up, instead of those in power themselves.
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Lunatic Wrote:Heh, I love it when people blame those who "cause" (when they do nothing wrong, though "rebellious"/against the rules) those in power to fuck shit up, instead of those in power themselves.
So, if a man donated millions of dollars to fund a genocide while he never shot a person himself, is not in power?, and hasn't done anything destructive at all? No. He has.

and like I said: No Staff = No school
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Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
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pilotguy182 Wrote:oOn my home PC, I can't do anythig. I'm so locked down by my dad that I can't even instal a plane into FSX without his password. I'm on windows 7. Could anyone help me?
Get lunix on a flash drive somehow.
http://www.slax.org/
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/all-in-one-usb-slaxzip/
I believe you just have to download the .tar, extract with WinRAR or 7zip, then go into boot/ and run bootinst.bat, ONCE EVERYTHING IS EXTRACTED TO THE FLASH DRIVE. Just drag and drop the files from the archive onto the flash drive.
Then you can change stuff. Maybe there's a better alternative, something made to edit Windows registries or something. I have no experience with that.
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pilotguy182 Wrote:
Lunatic Wrote:
pilotguy182 Wrote:oOn my home PC, I can't do anythig. I'm so locked down by my dad that I can't even instal a plane into FSX without his password. I'm on windows 7. Could anyone help me?
Get lunix on a flash drive somehow.
http://www.slax.org/
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/all-in-one-usb-slaxzip/
I believe you just have to download the .tar, extract with WinRAR or 7zip, then go into boot/ and run bootinst.bat, ONCE EVERYTHING IS EXTRACTED TO THE FLASH DRIVE. Just drag and drop the files from the archive onto the flash drive.
Then you can change stuff. Maybe there's a better alternative, something made to edit Windows registries or something. I have no experience with that.


i used a VNC server!
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What the fuck



Watch on YouTube

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Пожалуйста, прекратите делать так много кокаина.
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Absentinsomniac Wrote:What in the fuck is this atrocious thing you people are calling a thread?
ai norite?

WHat software is being used to block it? I bet there is an unblocked proxy somwhere.

<a href=http://www.goanonymity4proxy.co.in/>Maybe try this one?
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Rebelnerd Wrote:Human rights are being violated by US law enforcement. This is what the media is here for, you're supposed to be the watchdogs! You're supposed to stand up for the downtrodden, not belittle them as though all their problems amount to nothing more than some angry glares toward parents and sabotaging their computers.
I've seen so much shit done to youth and for some reason, this has made me angrier than I've felt in years. Abuse and oppression happens all over the world. It's a terrible reality of modern society, but we've all accepted that it happens and we're doing what we can to fight it and build a better world.
But this...this mindless, condescending disrespect toward people who have no legal voice with which to defend themselves, this reduction of parents' betrayal into a cheap crack about kids being computer-savvy...it's like watching a surgeon joke about life insurance while his patient bleeds to death on the operating table. The media's job is to protect society from oppression and they've drawn a clear line between the people worth protecting and the people that don't matter. How can they people sleep at night?

You're a journalist. DO. YOUR. FUCKING. JOB.

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pilotguy182 Wrote:Me?

No.
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pilotguy182 Wrote:Me?

No, he's referring to the guy in the YouTube video you semi-troll.

But, keep up the rebellion! You are being FORCED to go to school, therefore you are being FORCED to use their network, so fuck it up! Originally I though you were being a whiny little shit, then I realized that it's a school network you're fucking with, keep fighting comrades!
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Make it a hidden wireless network then. lul
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Yeah or they'll see it and rage like last time.
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You haz an FSX

I do too.



School's gonna kill your freedom, and your relation to your family if they support school. You can thank them for ruining 1/4 of your life.
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make sure to submerge your router in holy water and pray to god that it won't get taken from you
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(10-13-2011 10:39 AM)Lunatic Wrote:  make sure to submerge your router in holy water and pray to god that it won't get taken from you

LOL!
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AHAHAH YOU ACTUALLY DID IT
AND IT BROKE
AHAHAHAHAHHAA
whichever works, also :|
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:(
you must submerge it on holy water as soon as possible once you get it
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If you have loadsamone the new one, otherwise the old one
but j00're probably a j00 who hoards gold in his asscrack so go with the newer expensive one I guess.
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Why is this thread ProPilot talking to himself about how he is 2c00l4sk00l
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So basically all you can use is a IPod?
Cause if you could use a laptop, you could just set up a ssh-server at home and login to it.
All the IT guys would see is a beautiful encrypted connection. And you'd see then pr0n you are longing for. Or whatever you are longing for.
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RE: Oh No!

(12-04-2011 11:42 AM)aCol Wrote:  So basically all you can use is a IPod?
Cause if you could use a laptop, you could just set up a ssh-server at home and login to it.
All the IT guys would see is a beautiful encrypted connection. And you'd see then pr0n you are longing for. Or whatever you are longing for.

I tried that but it didn't work at all, not on a shitty hotel wifi and not on my school wifi, maybe if I used port 80 (same as http?) or something it'd work? And yes I'm pretty sure I port forwarded correctly and I was using my internets IP and all of that.
Guess I'll try port 80 and 8080 Razz port 22 seemed to be blocked.
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(This post was last modified: 12-10-2011 03:43 PM by LOON_ATTIC.)
12-10-2011 03:43 PM
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