What about school do most students complain about?

[xcriteria]

I'm writing something about how "anti-schoolers" compare to "normal kids" in how they see school. Any answers to these questions would be helpful:

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?

2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?

3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?

4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?

[Amortisatie]

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?

They normally complain about how they hate this one teacher for giving alot of work, or how much they hate homework, and even how much they have to carry everyday.

2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?

They believe it is good for them because they are told it is good for them over and over and over and over and over, they also think the only way to live a good life is to make bunches of money. Also their parents and friends tell them they will be 'flipping burgers' for a living if they drop out or homeschool.

3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?

How we are oppressed, stripped of our rights, need permission for every last thing, unable to give opinions or have any right to choose what we 'learn'.

Uniforms. No ability to personalize ourselves from the other sheep around us. We are forced against our will to go to this 'privilege.' We can't learn what will help us in life because they tell us to put everything else away in order for them to shove uninteresting and useless topics down our throats.

4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?

See #3

[Swift]

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?
How ugly/annoying/dumb people are, and how much homework we have.

2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?
Because they've been taught not to think for themselves.

3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?
I don't care what grades you have, if you tolerate totalitarianism and thoughtless thinking, fuck you.

4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?
I've been educated outside of school. Many people at my school claim to care about education, but I highly doubt they educate themselves outside of school. Because of my true interest in my education, I've learned my rights and that how school ignores them in a pathetic fashion.
People who only do the minimum for their education are the ones who tolerate school.

[magikarp]

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?

• homework
• topics not being useful (to a career)
• teachers being mean
• assignments being too hard
• too many tests
• too many assignments (from different classes) at once
• not enough group work and projects
• physical comfort (having too much to carry, room temperatures, chairs, etc.)[/list:u]
  
  2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?
  Most students I know would say school is worth it to be able to get a good job later, or that it's 'good for them'. I think (and I may just be making stuff up here) that they tolerate school partially because their complaints are usually with aspects of school that could plausibly be changed without significantly changing the entire system, although they might never see them actually changed. As an example, subjects could be made more relevant to careers much more easily than something like a standardized curriculum being done away with entirely. Even though those changes may not happen, it's easier to accept an imperfectly executed system based on good ideas than a system based on bad ideas.
  
  3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?
  • topics not being interesting (preferably) or useful (acceptably)
  • next to nothing being covered in-depth
  • teachers having excessive authority
  • pace being slow for most subjects
  • too much group work
  • school being mandatory (seems morally unacceptable regardless of what the school is like otherwise)
  • emphasis on getting everything done rather than getting as much as possible done well
  • (relatively) strict deadlines
  • following instructions on assignments being more important to grade than content
  • having to follow a (more or less arbitrary) schedule[/list:u]
    
    4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?
    I guess the simplest answer is it made me feel like shit. That was probably from a combination of stress, anxiety, boredom, and perceived lack of freedom. I also resented the time wasted learning relatively little.

[xcriteria]

Cool, that's useful. We all kinda know what sucks but it helps to see it written out by different people. Basically what I want to do is distinguish "everyday whining" from legitimate, long-term, systematic complaints. Making that distinction is really important for winning people over (at least reasonable people) to seeing these complaints as worthy of attention.

There's actually a "diagnosis" called School Refusal that's applied to kids who suffer in school, but the definitions focus on things like anxiety and bullying and social problems, completely ignoring the boredom/not-learning component. And the "treatment" is to cure the anxiety and force acceptance of school.

http://www.education.com/reference/artic...ng_School/

[assaultmedic]

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?
-boring classes
-too much work and homework
-asshole teachers
-shitty campus

2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?
-fear of teachers and parents
-fear of not getting a good job

3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?
-everything on number 1
-no or limited class choice
-fact that it is compulsory

4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?
-lower bullshit tolerance level
-dont care about what parents or teachers think

[kylemw13]

xcriteria Wrote:I'm writing something about how "anti-schoolers" compare to "normal kids" in how they see school. Any answers to these questions would be helpful:

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?

2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?

3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?

4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?

1) bad teachers, homework, they say school is pointless, switching from two lunch lines to one, the principal, bored, and pretty much anything else they can think of.
2) they have not been taught how to think logically, they don't think there is anything they can do, most people simply don't ever stand up for themselves or others.
3) I have similar complaints however I attempt to fix my problems because I am new to the system and still remember how to think.
4) Most of them have yet to realize that they deserve better and they tend to believe that the school has their (the students) interests in mind, I know otherwise.

[SoulRiser]

I could make a general observation here and say that most students complain about relatively specific things, whereas we (the people who come to this site), complain about the "bigger picture" and how the big picture is what causes the relatively specific things to be a problem in the first place. Right?

[xcriteria]

Good point. I'm sure it has something to do with the number of us that are intuitives on the Myers-Briggs scale.

Also, the more issues a person has with a system, the more they suffer, the less positives they experience, and the more perceptive they are, the more likely they are to begin to look at the system in general.

[random_name]

xcriteria Wrote:I'm writing something about how "anti-schoolers" compare to "normal kids" in how they see school. Any answers to these questions would be helpful:

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?

2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?

3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?

4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?

Uniform, and Homework.

Scaared of the consequences of their actions, can't be arsed

The pure pointlessness of it. The people, the lessons, the useless crap, the teachers, the other students, the attitude of teachers to bullying, the compulsoryness

Because the average students dont care where they go, what they do - what trouble they get into. Im a scaredy cat. I do care. I shouldn't, but i do.

[homicidal Psycho]

As everyone agrees. Work,mean teachers,physical discomfort, different homework assigned on the same day by different classes,projects,not enough group work,boredom, and personally how school and smart aleks that think school is so great and judge you if you hate school and believe you won't be successful.

[LOON_ATTIC]

1) What are some things that typical students complain about in school?

Rules, lack of freedom, boring work.

2) Why do most students tolerate school, despite these complaints?

They think they can't do anything about it.

3) What are your main complaints, in contrast to the average student?

Same, but they don't teach enough, I get even more annoyed by being ordered around and kinda speak more about it.

4) Why do you find school really hard to tolerate, in contrast to the average student?

Lack of freedom. Being forced to go at a certain time, the punishments, being yelled at, ordered like some kind of animal..