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"Programming is the easy way out"

That quote right there made me want to slap my pro-school friend so hard across the face that one of his ancestor's souls would explode.

So I was just talking to him then I asked, "What do you want to do as a career?"

He said that he didn't know, so I asked him if he liked computers and maybe he should learn some programming, so he said that everyone was doing it and it was the easy way out.

It made me really angry and wanted to do this to him
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The easy way out? What is that supposed to mean?
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Silly Amortisatie, programming ain't work. Breaking your back all day long digging holes is manly stuff, not this pansy bullshit.


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xcriteria Wrote:The easy way out? What is that supposed to mean?

He said since almost everyone was learning it, it had to be easy
He then said that he didn't want to be a sheep, then said he wanted a high-paying job [/irony]


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Umm what you mean by that?

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UGH! I hate that attitude. Never mind the fact it's something you're good at and enjoy, taking the 'easy way out', is some horrible crime. Guess everything has to be made difficult.

I don't know your friend, but from what he said their alone, I think a punch in the face would be justified.
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Incollegenow Wrote:UGH! I hate that attitude. Never mind the fact it's something you're good at and enjoy, taking the 'easy way out', is some horrible crime. Guess everything has to be made difficult.

I don't know your friend, but from what he said their alone, I think a punch in the face would be justified.

He's a school loving, kiss-up, has to be FIRST to every class (he literally runs), and he says that withuot school you are an idiot Cuckoo

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Amortisatie Wrote:Faby:

Umm what you mean by that?

I was trying to imitate a response you'd get from most close-minded persons. That "smashing a keyboard" ain't work, and that you have to do physical [well, using a keyboard is physical, but that's not what I meant] labour for it to be called "work".

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Amortisatie Wrote:Faby:

Umm what you mean by that?

I was trying to imitate a response you'd get from most close-minded persons. That "smashing a keyboard" ain't work, and that you have to do physical [well, using a keyboard is physical, but that's not what I meant] labour for it to be called "work".

Oh lol, i'm not too good at catching sarcasm right away in text form ;D

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It's a skill that needs serious honing Razz

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I'm not going to lie, but as a programmer myself it is easy to learn languages.

BUT

The skill comes from using them appropriately to make efficient programs with less code and easily readable code. And depending on your line of work in programming, there are various other skills needed. I think this is what your friend didnt understand.

I mean just look at a game like Runescape or anything else written solely in JAVA. If you actually start learning java, you will seriously shit your pants realizing it is impossible to write such a complicated game in just Java (and the Runescape team only has 50-60 members).

(I don't play Runescape, i'm no loser Biggrin)

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Murktomp Wrote:I'm not going to lie, but as a programmer myself it is easy to learn languages.

BUT

The skill comes from using them appropriately to make efficient programs with less code and easily readable code. And depending on your line of work in programming, there are various other skills needed. I think this is what your friend didnt understand.

I mean just look at a game like Runescape or anything else written solely in JAVA. If you actually start learning java, you will seriously shit your pants realizing it is impossible to write such a complicated game in just Java (and the Runescape team only has 50-60 members).

(I don't play Runescape, i'm no loser Biggrin)

I play runescape god dammit, but I also play soccer n stuffs, I guess you meant people who play all day every day AMIRIGHT?

On the other hand I looked at java a little bit and looked at runescape, then got confused Laugh

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Amortisatie Wrote:
Murktomp Wrote:I'm not going to lie, but as a programmer myself it is easy to learn languages.

BUT

The skill comes from using them appropriately to make efficient programs with less code and easily readable code. And depending on your line of work in programming, there are various other skills needed. I think this is what your friend didnt understand.

I mean just look at a game like Runescape or anything else written solely in JAVA. If you actually start learning java, you will seriously shit your pants realizing it is impossible to write such a complicated game in just Java (and the Runescape team only has 50-60 members).

(I don't play Runescape, i'm no loser Biggrin)

I play runescape god dammit, but I also play soccer n stuffs, I guess you meant people who play all day every day AMIRIGHT?

On the other hand I looked at java a little bit and looked at runescape, then got confused Laugh

Hahaha yes as long as you arent in the top ten you're right, that last line was just for jokes anyway Biggrin
And yeah, that's what I mean. It is extremely hard to make a game out of just Java. It takes lots of effort and extremely great planning.

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Incollegenow Wrote:UGH! I hate that attitude. Never mind the fact it's something you're good at and enjoy, taking the 'easy way out', is some horrible crime. Guess everything has to be made difficult.

I don't know your friend, but from what he said their alone, I think a punch in the face would be justified.

He's a school loving, kiss-up, has to be FIRST to every class (he literally runs), and he says that withuot school you are an idiot Cuckoo
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Amortisatie Wrote:He's a school loving, kiss-up, has to be FIRST to every class (he literally runs), and he says that withuot school you are an idiot Cuckoo

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Amortisatie Wrote:He's a school loving, kiss-up, has to be FIRST to every class (he literally runs), and he says that withuot school you are an idiot Cuckoo

Show that asswipe some stuff from here. Evillaugh

I did, and he said we were a bunch of lazy morons who just want everything given to us [/mod assembly]

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The Avenger Wrote:
Amortisatie Wrote:He's a school loving, kiss-up, has to be FIRST to every class (he literally runs), and he says that withuot school you are an idiot Cuckoo

Show that asswipe some stuff from here. Evillaugh

I did, and he said we were a bunch of lazy morons who just want everything given to us [/mod assembly]

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Amortisatie Wrote:That quote right there made me want to slap my pro-school friend so hard across the face that one of his ancestor's souls would explode.

So I was just talking to him then I asked, "What do you want to do as a career?"

He said that he didn't know, so I asked him if he liked computers and maybe he should learn some programming, so he said that everyone was doing it and it was the easy way out.

It made me really angry and wanted to do this to him
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He wants to feel "special" by thinking he is going away from the sheep, but he is really joining up with them

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Programming is not just awesome because it's involved with many jobs, it's awesome because it's fun!

This moron needs to get smacked up the head. :rage:

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Newtown Wrote:Programming is not just awesome because it's involved with many jobs, it's awesome because it's fun!

This moron needs to get smacked up the head. :rage:

I have him in one of my classes tomorrow, i'll get him outside the head with a textbook Biggrin

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Amortisatie Wrote:
Newtown Wrote:Programming is not just awesome because it's involved with many jobs, it's awesome because it's fun!

This moron needs to get smacked up the head. :rage:

I have him in one of my classes tomorrow, i'll get him outside the head with a textbook Biggrin
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Eh? I'm still confused.

Quote:He said that he didn't know, so I asked him if he liked computers and maybe he should learn some programming, so he said that everyone was doing it and it was the easy way out.
At first this seems perfectly reasonable, he doesn't want to do what most people are doing.

Quote:He said since almost everyone was learning it, it had to be easy
lolz. Er yeah, sure. Learning to code basic stuff isn't hard, but actually being good at it and doing complex stuff in an efficient way, well that's another matter entirely.

Quote:He then said that he didn't want to be a sheep, then said he wanted a high-paying job [/irony]
Programming is pretty high paying as far as I know.

Is this the same guy that you said is coming here soon?

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SoulRiser Wrote:Eh? I'm still confused.

Quote:He said that he didn't know, so I asked him if he liked computers and maybe he should learn some programming, so he said that everyone was doing it and it was the easy way out.
At first this seems perfectly reasonable, he doesn't want to do what most people are doing.

Quote:He said since almost everyone was learning it, it had to be easy
lolz. Er yeah, sure. Learning to code basic stuff isn't hard, but actually being good at it and doing complex stuff in an efficient way, well that's another matter entirely.

Quote:He then said that he didn't want to be a sheep, then said he wanted a high-paying job [/irony]
Programming is pretty high paying as far as I know.

Is this the same guy that you said is coming here soon?

Thats a negative, the one that is coming is alot smarter :>_>:

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Well when he comes, we'll be ready. Soul will kick anyone's ass in the school argument.

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Depends what your learning, he will learn batch and be epic. But if you have a passion, talent, and the skill to learn C++ or a proper language then go for it.
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KnowWhy Wrote:Depends what your learning, he will learn batch and be epic. But if you have a passion, talent, and the skill to learn C++ or a proper language then go for it.

After I learn Visual Basic i'll look at C++ and see if I can do it

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