God is he real and divine or a fake piece of carp

[Rebelnerd]

Tonight I will pray before I go to bed. If nothing happens, then I will remain an agnostic. If God answers my prayers, I will immediately renounce him for helping a white, middle-class American teenager and not the billions of starving people who need it, and continue fighting for scientific progress so that we never need to rely on a cruel freak like God ever again.

[Dark Soul X]

As an agnostic person, my belief is that proof of God's existence can't be proven by mankind. The Christian Faith believe in His/Her existence without proof, thinking that The Holy Bible holds all (or nearly all, I've never read it) their answers. However, The Holy Bible was writen by MAN, not God. Therefore, The Holy Bible is The Word of Man, NOT The Word of God.

Who knows if God actually exists? No one can prove God's existence or non-existence to be a fact. For all we know, Christianity could very well be a front, some kind of scheme to keep the population going (hence the hatred and bias against homosexuals, because they can't naturally conceive), which is something I'm leaning towards to in believing.

God is one the greatest mysteries in the world, provided He/She actually exists. This Higher Being shows no presence of His/Herself, and thus, this discussion here.

I'm starting to believe that the existence of God can't be proven, but I can't say that, because I don't know if this can or can't be proven as true or false. It's all up to time and fate.

[~Mystery~]

I'm interested to hear how you guys define God.

Here is how I see it. whatever created what we see in ourselves and in nature is "God". Like the author of a book. all books seem to have an author.my explanation for this is in our existence and that life had to come in somehow by something and that something has the honors of being called the Creator, energy, will, divinity, big bang, or whatever form "god" took to create the present reality because of its inherit beauty and complexity.

So to sum it up my reasoning that god exists is through the presence of religion itself, pretty much every culture no matter how isolated had religious beliefs which I believe were gifts from the goddess as a way to show us her love for us. This along with the beauty of nature inspires me to either believe in a Divine or to admit to myself that I won't ever understand how all this came to pass.

So to me the Divine is all that gives me strength that I don't yet understand.

nothing more, I don't believe in a any religious "dogma" or hell or Satan. And I would not under any circumstance push 'my' moral beliefs on anyone.

but I do believe in honoring the presence of what we see right now in front of us on our planet. one thing among many we all have in common.

[youpplrsogay]

How I define god is A force that created everything not a she/he but an It. A force so divine it doesn't need a maker. But then again i don't believe that something like that is truly out there. I mean how is something just there without it being made? Honestly i mean to just appear out of nothingness. To begin to unravel the very aspect of that is completely stupid. it throws out the the studies of human beings for the last 3 centuries. For everything to be answer with one answer like "God made it" its completely ridiculous.

[Nah]

And if this creator actually created everything, including time, then why would it need a beginning?

[Milk2Go]

Maybe it wasn't a god that created us?

[youpplrsogay]

Exactly what Im trying to say why do we all assume that only a "god" can create everything. All the religions out there expect buddhism is based around one or more gods creating everything.

[maxh]

All major religions, perhaps, but not in my own.

[youpplrsogay]

And what might your religion be kind sir?

[Bob Dole]

<nitpick>"A fake piece of carp?" Is God a fish?</nitpick>

Y'know, my personal stance on the issue has always been that I don't care if there's a god or not. Quite frankly, I'm content to live out my life and help other people when I can.

if God == True:
if God.personality == "good":
print "I figure he'll let me into Paradise regardless of whether I believed in him or not."
elif God.personality == "evil":
print "I'd rather burn in Hell than serve a tyrant."
elif:
print "Well, then, I guess it doesn't matter."

Note: Yes, I know it's not all syntactically correct. I'm not putting escape characters in and confusing the bajeezus out of people.

[~Mystery~]

maxh Wrote:All major religions, perhaps, but not in my own.

this

[Nah]

If god is good, he is also just. If he is just, he has to punish evil. If he is good, than anything less than him evil, and must be punished.

[~Mystery~]

I think morality is a social construct.

[Nah]

And if it came from god?

[Jesusaurisrex]

I read Nietzsche, and am a supporter of his views on religions and morality. I believe that every major religion was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life's nausea and disgust with life, merely concealed behind, masked by, dressed up as, faith in "another" or "better" life.

I personally am agnostic, but I hate the christian faith with a passion.

"When we hear the ancient bells growling on a Sunday morning we ask ourselves: Is it really possible! This, for a jew, crucified two thousand years ago, who said he was God's son? The proof of such a claim is lacking. Certainly the Christian religion is an antiquity projected into our times from remote prehistory; and the fact that the claim is believed - whereas one is otherwise so strict in examining pretensions - is perhaps the most ancient piece of this heritage. A god who begets children with a mortal woman; a sage who bids men work no more, have no more courts, but look for the signs of the impending end of the world; a justice that accepts the innocent as a vicarious sacrifice; someone who orders his disciples to drink his blood; prayers for miraculous interventions; sins perpetrated against a god, atoned for by a god; fear of a beyond to which death is the portal; the form of the cross as a symbol in a time that no longer knows the function and ignominy of the cross -- how ghoulishly all this touches us, as if from the tomb of a primeval past! Can one believe that such things are still believed?"

[aerftghyjk]

Hopefully I won't get flamed for this

I believe in God, but

youpplrsogay Wrote:Now why I posted this I kinda just wanted to talk about it cause even though we wouldn't find out if "god" is real or not yet i want the closest possible answer

Apparently you want the closest possible answer. Well, some people will tell you he isn't real, others will tell you he isn't. You should decide.

[mudkip liek]

sio Wrote:Well, some people will tell you he isn't real, others will tell you he isn't. You should decide.

So given those two choice, he isn't.

[Liquid]

chemistry hater Wrote:

sio Wrote:Well, some people will tell you he isn't real, others will tell you he isn't. You should decide.

So given those two choice, he isn't.

I've decided that Justin isn't real. Justin's own view on whether he exists or not is irrelevant. Everyone has to decide for themselves.

[psychopath]

Liquid Wrote:I've decided that Justin isn't real. Justin's own view on whether he exists or not is irrelevant. Everyone has to decide for themselves.

Lul

[Invalid Name]

I don't believe in him. I can't see why otherwise intelligent people seem to take a bunch of 2000 year old desert scribblings as "divine truth".

Although we can't exactly disprove God, we can't prove him either. I could claim that the Earth's core is inhabited by dancing pink fairies, and we wouldn't be able to disprove that, but you wouldn't believe it would you?

However if he is real, then he clearly either doesn't give one flying fuck about us, or he is a psychopathic sadist.

[spookycloud]

I was wondering today about why Buddha said the question of whether God exists or not is irrelevant to attaining enlightenment. Maybe when anticipating God and heaven, we like to think big to compensate for the fact that we feel so small, seeking grandiosity because we fear mediocrity, but that is attachment to delusion. Almost as if the nature of reality has nothing to do with our beliefs...

I've grieved over my fair share of emotional hangovers, I've felt so depressed after euphoric concerts that I'm not sure I want to be waiting for the rest of my life for "something better" when I could be trying to find the source of contentment right here, right now in all the little, mundane things I'm a part of, which are connected to a greater whole.

Anthropomorphism is a likely explanation. Our beliefs can help us as archetypes do, and this is how we take refuge in ourselves.

Here is an interesting theory on the schizophrenic god:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)
And this is an interesting take on the different paradigms of God:
http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age...ities.html
I love the old soul description, that perspective is so liberating compared to superstitions that external forces punish us so much more than our own reactions.

[Sociopath]

I just believe in a God that loves me, none of that Generalization of moronic, mislead Christians


I present to you, Jesus. Pure and Divine, uncorrupted.






(none of those dumbasses who post raptor jesus cause they think being an athiest suddenly makes them 'cool'. and they try to express their 'individualism' even though they're untalented, useless pieces of crap who use other's content to 'express' themselves)

[youpplrsogay]

TrueAnarchist Wrote:I just believe in a God that loves me, none of that Generalization of moronic, mislead Christians


I present to you, Jesus. Pure and Divine, uncorrupted.






(none of those dumbasses who post raptor jesus cause they think being an athiest suddenly makes them 'cool'. and they try to express their 'individualism' even though they're untalented, useless pieces of crap who use other's content to 'express' themselves)

LoL another on of those hardcore Christians. Being atheist isnt considered cool its actually rebelling against what most people believe in. You think that hes all divine? Does it really make fucking sense that "god" will let you burn in "hell" if you live your life as a good person doing all that is right but not believing in him? Thats just a bunch of bullshit if he really was "divine" then he wouldnt give a fuck what we did but enjoy the fact that his creations amount to good things and that some people actually believe in him. I'm sorry if you get angry at me but this is pretty much the truth

[~Mystery~]

85% of US Citizens are Christians.

Right or wrong it is fair to say atheists are pioneers in a conditioned world full of social conformity.

[youpplrsogay]

Mystery Wrote:85% of US Citizens are Christians.

Right or wrong it is fair to say atheists are pioneers in a conditioned world full of social conformity.

Exactly so how it is considered "cool"? That is why I'm Buddhist its not one of those you don't believe you'll burn in hell religions........

[Spot-ify]

[Alucard483]

He is real, however he just doesnt give a damn

[youpplrsogay]

Alucard483 Wrote:He is real, however he just doesnt give a damn

Debatable my brother

[LOON_ATTIC]

Mystery Wrote:The Godess will reveal her strength to those who are open to accept it. She loves us all no matter what,

hell is a myth, and satan is a piece of shit designed by the misanthrope.

We honor the Godess because we are amazed at what we have, not because some false prophet *died to "save" us*

the only thing us wiccan believe is
"Do as though wilt and harm ye none"

Me, I believe in God, but not like the Church says it. I believe woman have all the right to speak out in church, I don't flame people that they're going to go to hell for anything. I don't follow any church.

[Loxor]

He is Carp for sure.