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Universal Healthcare

So, everyone, what are your thoughts on the current raging debate over universal healthcare in the U.S.?

For those outside of the U.S. who already have universal healthcare, what do you think of your systems?

Personally, I think I'd like universal healthcare, despite the increase in taxes that will inevitably come. Shit, it's coming anyways, might as well set up a decent healthcare system now. And I already know that the "decline in quality of care" is bullshit. Fuck, I'd like to see it get any worse. Saw a guy who'd been mauled by a rather large animal wait an hour once in the ER. Wasn't bleeding horribly, but still.

Also, the shit the insurance industry gets away with is unreal.

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Yea, healthcare in America is quite frankly horrible for a first-world nation. Personally, I think the best system is a combination of government and private health car, like they have in France. That way, if you can't afford private health care, you can have a good gov't plan, and if you have the money and want all the extra features you can get a private plan to add on to the gov't one.

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john tuttle Wrote:Yea, healthcare in America is quite frankly horrible for a first-world nation. Personally, I think the best system is a combination of government and private health car, like they have in France. That way, if you can't afford private health care, you can have a good gov't plan, and if you have the money and want all the extra features you can get a private plan to add on to the gov't one.

Agreed. The only thing i'm against in government ran healthcare is all the paper work and useless shit that would go with it.
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We have the NHS over here in England, where everyone is entitled to medical care. We also have private medical firms, but they are stupidly expensive. Unfortunately, healthcare is also entitled to complete fucks who spend the whole night drinking and are then suprised when they are told their stomach needs removing.

In Religious Studies, we were shown a video of a documentary on Channel 4 about how binge drinking, partying and eating far too much and generally living an unhealthy lifestyle are killing the NHS. There was a guy on there who drove far too fast on a dual carriage way and crashed. He was uninjured, but his friend was nearly killed. 4 months after the accident, the injured guy had recovered, and the friends were sitting in a pub. The guy driving the car didn't give a shit about what had happened to his friend. Hmm.

One magazine in America published an article saying if Stephen Hawking was born here, the NHS would have let him die. They got every fact they printed WRONG. Stephen Hawking was born in the UK. Any private medical firm would have refused to take him. Stephen Hawking was very angry with the magazine, and they later had to retract their statements. The arcitle (heavily edited after how hard the realized they failed) is here: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticle ... 3006516877
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IBD is one of the most laughably biased magazines in the world.

And universal healthcare? Do want.

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I think it is DEFINITELY worth it. all the right wing conservatives are blabbering on about how Obama will euthanize the old and the quality of health care will go down. if they don't want a health care plan, fine by me. they can keep paying out the ass for Humana or whatever shitty program they have. all the care and money will be spent on me when I get injured and don't have to pay a fucking dime.
also I don't know if you guys saw it but at one of the town hall meetings Obama had a guy who worked for an insurance company stood up and voiced he's concerns that this plan was being unfair and taking money away from insurance agencies. the president told him not to worry and that the insurance companies would not be left out of this. which i think is retarded. I'm pretty sure I speak on behalf of every sane person in America, I HAVE NO FUCKING PROBLEM WITH LEAVING OUT INSURANCE COMPANIES. the last thing we need in our new system are these blood sucking leeches.
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The thing that pisses me off is all the douchebags yelling things like "OBAMA GONNA KILL YOUR GRANDPARENTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" See, previous republican lies have been at least based in a shred of truth, but that one is just plain bullshit.

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I seriously get some good laughs about these things that the republicans come up with. it's like watching a 5 year old trying to lie to his parents.
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thought criminal Wrote:I seriously get some good laughs about these things that the republicans come up with. it's like watching a 5 year old trying to lie to his parents.

I watched a CNN interview with Newt Gingrich. I can't find the video, but here's basically how it went:

Newt - this is a bill that advocates killing senior citizens deemed unworthy!!
CNN - actually, there is no part in the bill that says anything about killing people
Newt - what Obama want's to do is kill off expensive patients
CNN - no, nowhere does it say that. did you read the bill?
Newt - its like fucking 900000 pages? can anyone read it?!?!?!?!

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Here in Serbia everyone who is employed, people under the age of 18, disabled people and possibly someone else receives free healthcare, with only needing to pay a small amount in some cases. It works quite well.
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Yeah but here in America we would rather keep paying out the ass for shitty healthcare. I mean obama might EUTHANIZE our senior citizens!!! actually on second though YEAH YOU GO OBAMA!! LETS KILL THOSE OLD PEOPLE, NO MORE PEOPLE DRIVING 2 MILES AN HOUR IN THE FAST LANE!!!
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I just don't get it. Eight years of Bush, the closest thing we've had to fascism since Nixon, and it looks like the second civil war is going to break out over health care? I mean come on, I can see why some people might be worried about increasing the national debt. But these people get so fucking angry over it, stockpiling their guns and joining militias and calling Obama an evil Kenyan communist nigger who's going to kill their grandparents. I think a national health care plan is a good idea, but I'd still like to see a civilized political debate over it. Not these town hall lunatics sending in death threats over an alternate medical system.

Gotta love America. War? Eh. Wiretaps? Whatever. Torture? Yawn. But try and pass a tiny tax increase to keep poor children from dying of easily curable diseases, and you get a rebirth of the fucking militia movement.

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That's America for you. Noo
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I don't even understand the plan because I can't find anything about it that isn't so complicated not even the politicians could understand it, completely biased for it or against it, or made no sense whatsoever.

As far as I can understand, (correct me if I'm wrong), the Government is going to have a hopefully affordable form of health insurance that would allow those unable to buy from private companies a chance to buy health insurance for a lower price.
i don't know what the effects on taxes/economy/inflation would be, I don't know the specifics of this government-controlled health coverage plan, I don't see why it's necessary, etc, etc..

I just don't like the idea of the government controlling/monopolizing an industry(even though they say it won't, I think it will)

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I wish they would just totally eliminate insurance, it's a big fucking scam.
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Rebelnerd Wrote:I just don't get it. Eight years of Bush, the closest thing we've had to fascism since Nixon, and it looks like the second civil war is going to break out over health care? I mean come on, I can see why some people might be worried about increasing the national debt. But these people get so fucking angry over it, stockpiling their guns and joining militias and calling Obama an evil Kenyan communist nigger who's going to kill their grandparents. I think a national health care plan is a good idea, but I'd still like to see a civilized political debate over it. Not these town hall lunatics sending in death threats over an alternate medical system.

Gotta love America. War? Eh. Wiretaps? Whatever. Torture? Yawn. But try and pass a tiny tax increase to keep poor children from dying of easily curable diseases, and you get a rebirth of the fucking militia movement.

Now all we have do do is somehow send this to all Republican leaders.

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yeah but then they would probably pass it of as a threat and use it to end a good health care plan.
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People in my town (a total of three people, to be exact) were protesting the health care plan. They had pictures of Obama with Hitler's mustache photoshopped on and swastikas everywhere, saying he's a Nazi and stuff. It was hilarious.
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BobManPerson Wrote:People in my town (a total of three people, to be exact) were protesting the health care plan. They had pictures of Obama with Hitler's mustache photoshopped on and swastikas everywhere, saying he's a Nazi and stuff. It was hilarious.

I don't even like Obama that much but I atill think all those people comparing him to Hitler are supreme morons.

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john tuttle Wrote:I don't even like Obama that much but I atill think all those people comparing him to Hitler are supreme morons.
this. it just amazes me the ignorance of some people.
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im not for it. just cause i dont feel right with the goverment controling that. anyways TC you pay for it through taxes. so you well be paying more then a dime. and whoever said they want both. thats bad to cause for the people who dont want to have obama care they would have to pay for there own healthcare. plus obama care through taxes.

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I'm not for it cause I can't understand how the fuck obamas gonna make it work.

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While you do pay for it through taxes, the amount will be much smaller than insurance premiums. Though I will agree with you on the fact that our government has a way of turning everything it touches in to a inefficient bureaucratic shitbox.

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We need Universal Healthcare. I think it's sad, that we're the world's richest country but can't afford to take care of our citizens.

I can live with the taxes.

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Obama hasn't said he's going to get rid of the private medical companies. He's just offering an alternative to people who can't afford to get expensive treatment.
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XplodingNoggin Wrote:Obama hasn't said he's going to get rid of the private medical companies. He's just offering an alternative to people who can't afford to get expensive treatment.
This. I still don't understand how many times he has to fucking say this before people stop shrieking at him in town halls that the government is trying to "take their health insurance away."

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XplodingNoggin Wrote:Obama hasn't said he's going to get rid of the private medical companies. He's just offering an alternative to people who can't afford to get expensive treatment.
This. I still don't understand how many times he has to fucking say this before people stop shrieking at him in town halls that the government is trying to "take their health insurance away."
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kylemw13 Wrote:I'm not for it cause I can't understand how the fuck obamas gonna make it work.

THIS.

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kylemw13 Wrote:I'm not for it cause I can't understand how the fuck obamas gonna make it work.

THIS.

For serious. I just can't see how it's gonna work.
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well, how about trying to find out how it might work before rejecting anything you don't immediately understand?

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