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Separation of Church and State

I don't know if this is just a Florida issue right now or not but I know for sure where I stand on this. I think the church should have jack to do with the government.
Anyway, I'm about 99.9% sure on where you guys stand but I will ask anyway. how do you guys feel about the separation of the church from government?
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I totally agree. I hate teachers who teach (well subs) god as science. I mean science goes through a hella lot of things just to become common logic. Why should the church just come in and think they can say god exist and bam it should be a fact. This one time i was "debating" with a teacher about "god". I won and she got all angry at me cause i proved all of her points wrong and she punishes me. First I'm like wtf you not suppose to teach about god in school anyways and she keeps telling me to shut up which really pissed me off.
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it's really quite satisfying when you beat one of those pricks isn't it? Laugh
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youpplrsogay Wrote:I totally agree. I hate teachers who teach (well subs) god as science. I mean science goes through a hella lot of things just to become common logic. Why should the church just come in and think they can say god exist and bam it should be a fact. This one time i was "debating" with a teacher about "god". I won and she got all angry at me cause i proved all of her points wrong and she punishes me. First I'm like wtf you not suppose to teach about god in school anyways and she keeps telling me to shut up which really pissed me off.
Was that a public school? Cuz she could actually be sued for that.

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The chruch should be completely sepreate from the government.

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Seperate, yet for some reason when it comes to marrige everyone seems to be banging on the wrong door? HMMMMMMMM?

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I also believe that church should be separate for very obvious reasons. Last thing I need is to blow some asswipe away because he wants to hang me because I'm not a bible thumper.

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Alucard483 Wrote:Seperate, yet for some reason when it comes to marrige everyone seems to be banging on the wrong door? HMMMMMMMM?
Tell me about it... why should the church have any say in who can get a civil marriage.

Not all marriages happen in a church, Alucard.

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totally true my brother. I went a church once and it was like fucking hitched up on god and shit OMG it pissed me off but i really couldnt do anything about it the last thing i want to do is ruin my TEACHERS best day lol. And yes it was quite satisfying beating those pricks Biggrin
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Fire Elf Wrote:
Alucard483 Wrote:Seperate, yet for some reason when it comes to marrige everyone seems to be banging on the wrong door? HMMMMMMMM?
Tell me about it... why should the church have any say in who can get a civil marriage.

Not all marriages happen in a church, Alucard.
But if I remember, Marriage is a religious thing that everyone enherited. Not all that sure about it though.

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Alucard483 Wrote:Seperate, yet for some reason when it comes to marrige everyone seems to be banging on the wrong door? HMMMMMMMM?
Tell me about it... why should the church have any say in who can get a civil marriage.

Marrige is defined by the Church. CIVIL UNION is defined by the state. If gay people want to engage in CIVIL UNION then that is fine by me, HOWEVER, MARRIGE is defined by the CHURCH, an entity which in no way has to marry ANYONE. In fact the church even has the right to deny ANYONE a marrige ceremony. So this is basicly one big "MOMMY! THEY WONT LET ME INTO THIER FORT!" argument. The uneducated masses are banging down the government's door to MAKE the CHURCH (somthing that is not even based in the United States), somthing they have NO say in do somthing.

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As long as they stay away from uncle Bill i'm good.
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Freeman Wrote:As long as they stay away from basic laws and public schooling i'm good.
Actually, the church should keep its filthy paws off all laws, not just basic ones.

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Fire Elf Wrote:
Freeman Wrote:As long as they stay away from basic laws and public schooling i'm good.
Actually, the church should keep its filthy paws off all laws, not just basic ones.

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nice sig you got thar. like mine?
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thought criminal Wrote:nice sig you got thar. like mine?

Let's not derail the topic now.
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oh ya
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Alucard483 Wrote:Marrige is defined by the Church.
Or the state. Secular marriage, dumbass.
Quote:CIVIL UNION is defined by the state.
Well, that's a given... who else would civil union be defined by. but it's kind of irrelevent.
Quote:If gay people want to engage in CIVIL UNION then that is fine by me
Well that's nice. Except, it's also irrelevant. But if the church did same-sex marriages, would it be fine by you if I went and got one? I don't think that's it. You like the term "civil union" because it makes gays into second-class citizens, who have to use the back door to get into the theatre. I could go on and on about how civil unions just don't cut it, but that's beside the point... this is about who should define what marriage is. You just had to bring up gays because you are a stupid, homophobic fucktard who still uses ALL CAPS and the word "faggot" in their hate-filled posts.
Quote:HOWEVER, MARRIGE is defined by the CHURCH
You already said this, there's no need to repeat yourself. But since we seem to be back on the main subject, I think I should metion that in many places, marriage is defined by the state. If it still means to anything to you, you can still have your ceremony at a church, but it's just that. A ceremony. It has no official meaning.
Quote:an entity which in no way has to marry ANYONE.
Problem solved. You may now stop whining about your stupid gay agenda bullshit.
Quote:In fact the church even has the right to deny ANYONE a marrige ceremony.
But then, how would legalising same-sex marriage change this... it's not forcing any-one to do it, just allowing them to do. If your church wants to be all homophobic, we gan get married by another one. Or the state.
Quote:The uneducated masses are banging down the government's door
LOL, that's funny that you think you can call us uneducated. At least we can spell m-a-r-r-i-a-g-e properly. "marrige" isn't really defined by any-one as far as I know.
Quote:to MAKE the CHURCH
No-one's making the church do anything
Quote:(somthing that is not even based in the United States)
Now who said anything about the United States?
Quote:somthing they have NO say in do somthing.
We're not making the church do anything.

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Yet again, marriages are issued by the church, NOT the secretary of state. The Secretary of State controls civil unions. When a man and a woman get married they apply for BOTH. They go to the church and ask for a ceromony. They also go to the Secretary of State and apply for Civil Union. Yet again, the government DOES NOT control marrige, only civil union. This is why mormons can have so many wives. They are/can be civily unified to ONE and MARRIED to the rest.

If the church did alow it I would not have a problem at all, however they dont so that is beside the point. Why I am against it it is because people are trying to force things on the church. Just like school is trying to force things on us. You dislike it when the school trys to tell you how to act, think, dress and generally dictate your existance. Same thing with the church. Society is trying to force the church to act, think, and dictate its existance. So shut the fuck up with your double standards you ignorant ass.

Hmm, ya know your right. Thats all marrige really is. Its a cermony. After that, all that is there is the civil union papers showing that these two people are joined under the laws of the state. If it weren't for those civil union papers it would be just like nothing ever took place, huh?

Thats correct, if you can find an institution to preform the ceremonies for you then thats great. After the ceremony you can ride on down ot the secretary of State and sign those civil union papers. So, while you may be civily unified by the state they will not provide you with a ceremony, so all that you are left with are those civil union papers. Nifty concept huh?

Okay, I spelled marriage wrong. More than a few times I would image as well. Let he who has a clean spelling record cast the first stone. Go piss into the wind.

Yeah, thats what this whole argument is about, marrige, not civil union. You want "Marriage" not civil union, so you are crying to the government to force the church to change.

Correct, you are not making the church do anything. Because they have not swayed to your child like bitching and whining.

Oh, and the only person that used the word "faggot" was you.

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it's funny how you didn't quote my post at all...

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Fire Elf Wrote:it's funny how you didn't quote my post at all...
He shouldn't have to, honestly.

I think Alucard is making sense. You don't have to be married to love someone. Marriage is a religious thing, and if gays are against their religion, then of coarse they're not going to marry them. If the church is okay with it, then fine. I think it should go priest by priest, there are some that are okay with it, and some that aren't. The ones that aren't shouldn't look down on them, but they shouldn't be forced to marry them either.

Maybe I'm just biased because I don't believe in marriage.

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Fire Elf Wrote:it's funny how you didn't quote my post at all...
He shouldn't have to, honestly.

Perhaps not, but if he did, it would help the idea that he knows what he's talking about... which doesn't seem to be the case really.

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The government should GTFO my life.
The church, is hypocrisy.

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The church should just kill itself. Regardless of it's endless bias and history of violence and prejudice, the very concept of a church defies the very literature it was based upon. Prayer and worship should be private, let thou not sing aloud in the streets about your generosity, for that makes thou a braggart.

The church is, was and hopefully will not continue to be very long, a failed idea, a failed concept and a failed shrine. Worship your god in your own time, stop attempting to change the world, get the fuck out of my doorstep, the fuck out of my schools, the fuck out of my government and die in a fire.

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Awol, I could hug you after that.
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IllusoryDeath Wrote:Awol, I could hug you after that.

This.

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Churches are a nice thing to have, I suppose, but it shouldn't have a set time, and there shouldn't be a set time for it, it should just be a haven of sorts, not something that people go door to door trying to recruit new members.

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The church interferes with political debate WAY too much.

Take stem cells for instance. Oh boy we're fucking over an already fucked over embyro.

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AWOL Wrote:The church should just kill itself. Regardless of it's endless bias and history of violence and prejudice, the very concept of a church defies the very literature it was based upon. Prayer and worship should be private, let thou not sing aloud in the streets about your generosity, for that makes thou a braggart.

The church is, was and hopefully will not continue to be very long, a failed idea, a failed concept and a failed shrine. Worship your god in your own time, stop attempting to change the world, get the fuck out of my doorstep, the fuck out of my schools, the fuck out of my government and die in a fire.


God awol you have won 1000 respect points.

Don't know how many times I see these idiots in my neighborhood trying to convert more people even though most people here don't give a damn about religion.

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AWOL Wrote:The church should just kill itself. Regardless of it's endless bias and history of violence and prejudice, the very concept of a church defies the very literature it was based upon. Prayer and worship should be private, let thou not sing aloud in the streets about your generosity, for that makes thou a braggart.

The church is, was and hopefully will not continue to be very long, a failed idea, a failed concept and a failed shrine. Worship your god in your own time, stop attempting to change the world, get the fuck out of my doorstep, the fuck out of my schools, the fuck out of my government and die in a fire.
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