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Zero Tolerance for 6-Year-Old with spoon
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Zero Tolerance for 6-Year-Old with spoon

The edufascist system has reach a new level of stupidity. A school in Newark Delaware has suspend a Cub Scout for bringing a toyish swiss-army style fork-knife-spoon to school.

Also I should add that sentencing a 1st Grader "45 days in the district’s reform school" seems a bit... immature...

On the bright side, the little kid seems to be smartest person involved:
Quote:“I just think the other kids may tease me for being in trouble,” he said, pausing before adding, “but I think the rules are what is wrong, not me.”

Edufascists:
Quote:regardless of possessor’s intent knives are banned

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Thats very, very stupid. But i think i love the little kid.

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I want to adopt that kid!

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God, I hope they don't break him. If he keeps that mindset as he grows up, he could really make a difference.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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http://www.helpzachary.com/

FUCKIN RAGE but good for his mom for reaching out.
I so am signing the petition, and I'm sending Zach a message.

NOTE: if you do send him a message, remember...he's SIX.

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Quote:“Zachary wears a suit and tie some days to school by his own choice because he takes school so seriously,” said Debbie Christie, Zachary’s mother
Razz

But yeah, this zero tolerance stuff is really dumb. It's so dumb that the people who have to enforce it even admit it's dumb, yet somehow are powerless to stop it. lolwut?

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Kudos to the six-year-old.
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SoulRiser Wrote:It's so dumb that the people who have to enforce it even admit it's dumb, yet somehow are powerless to stop it. lolwut?

That happens at my school all the time.
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Rebelnerd Wrote:God, I hope they don't break him. If he keeps that mindset as he grows up, he could really make a difference.

Totally fucking agreed.

If anyone lives near the 6 years old on the news, influence him to go on to school-survival and we'll help him out. I decided put up a goal to let him grow up questioning the system and keeping with the mindset while trying to prove to him in case if he goes pro-school so that he can truely make a difference in our education status of this country.

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Quote: influence him to go on to school-survival

*Karate chops your neck* No, we're not subjecting him to that kind of insanity.

But, however, I do find myself entering a Two-mode.

These guys are sentencing him to a reform school for bring a swiss? And he was using it as a SPOON? Jesus Christ, were these fuckers incapable of going "Hey, don't bring it again"?! If these are the kind of people that are in charge of keeping them for a few hours and educating them, if anything, I'd sue, pull my kid into homeschool and say "Fuck them, they need to learn to use some common god damn sense."




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lolWUT?

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I just saw this on the news. Zero tolerance rules are just idiotic, he was eating with it not stabbing anyone! Just like kids getting suspended for bringing a water gun because it "looks like a gun". They aren't hurting anyone.
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Oni-Chiisu Wrote:Jesus Christ, were these fuckers incapable of going "Hey, don't bring it again"?!
But what if he dosen't listen and kills them with a spoon??!?!? Also,
I know a kid who read somthing similar broght in a spoon and wrote on it "Fear the spoon".

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Rebelnerd Wrote:Human rights are being violated by US law enforcement. This is what the media is here for, you're supposed to be the watchdogs! You're supposed to stand up for the downtrodden, not belittle them as though all their problems amount to nothing more than some angry glares toward parents and sabotaging their computers.
I've seen so much shit done to youth and for some reason, this has made me angrier than I've felt in years. Abuse and oppression happens all over the world. It's a terrible reality of modern society, but we've all accepted that it happens and we're doing what we can to fight it and build a better world.
But this...this mindless, condescending disrespect toward people who have no legal voice with which to defend themselves, this reduction of parents' betrayal into a cheap crack about kids being computer-savvy...it's like watching a surgeon joke about life insurance while his patient bleeds to death on the operating table. The media's job is to protect society from oppression and they've drawn a clear line between the people worth protecting and the people that don't matter. How can they people sleep at night?

You're a journalist. DO. YOUR. FUCKING. JOB.

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(10-13-2009 06:23 AM)MorikoMisa Wrote:  I want to adopt that kid!

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Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.

Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

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