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Obama signs hate crimes bill into law

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I don't think so, its a 1st ammendment violation and its a reppressment of human nature.

but its Obama what did we expect.

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Mystery Wrote:I don't think so, its a 1st ammendment violation and its a reppressment of human nature.

but its Obama what did we expect.
You are a fucktard. It covers only violent acts.

Murder is a part of human nature, so should we allow it?

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Stupid bill, anyways. Whether you commit an act of violence against a black or a white, a man or a woman, a Catholic or a Jew, etc.. should not matter. The sentence should be the same.

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Mystery Wrote:I don't think so, its a 1st ammendment violation and its a reppressment of human nature.

but its Obama what did we expect.
You are a fucktard. It covers only violent acts.

Murder is a part of human nature, so should we allow it?
calm down, you should've just explained it to him, without name-calling

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Forsaken Wrote:
Mystery Wrote:I don't think so, its a 1st ammendment violation and its a reppressment of human nature.

but its Obama what did we expect.
You are a fucktard. It covers only violent acts.

Murder is a part of human nature, so should we allow it?
calm down, you should've just explained it to him, without name-calling
Coming from you, this is fucking epic Rofl

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the same could be said for you, fire elf

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Yeah, I know... your point is?

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I'm against hate crime laws. Consider this scenario: a man beats up another man because he slept with his wife (or something like that) and gets, say, 10 years in jail. He beats up another man because he hates gays/blacks/Jews/whatever and gets 12 years. So for two years, that man is in prison because of what he thinks. Protecting free thought is more important that stopping racism. I'm sorry but it has to be said.

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Fire Elf Wrote:Yeah, I know... your point is?
we're not so different, you and I...

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Rebelnerd Wrote:Protecting free thought is more important that stopping racism. I'm sorry but it has to be said.

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John Tuttle Wrote:Stupid bill, anyways. Whether you commit an act of violence against a black or a white, a man or a woman, a Catholic or a Jew, etc.. should not matter. The sentence should be the same.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:I'm against hate crime laws. Consider this scenario: a man beats up another man because he slept with his wife (or something like that) and gets, say, 10 years in jail. He beats up another man because he hates gays/blacks/Jews/whatever and gets 12 years. So for two years, that man is in prison because of what he thinks. Protecting free thought is more important that stopping racism. I'm sorry but it has to be said.
I agree completely on the matter of free thought. Its what our country really thrives upon. Hell, its what humanity thrives upon.

But those two years are for hate. I think revenge is more justified than hatred is all. But then again, most racists and homophobes are ignorant. Two years for ignorance seems like quite a crime as well.

I don't know; I'm torn.

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Hate is an emotion. You can't punish someone for an emotion.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:I'm against hate crime laws. Consider this scenario: a man beats up another man because he slept with his wife (or something like that) and gets, say, 10 years in jail. He beats up another man because he hates gays/blacks/Jews/whatever and gets 12 years. So for two years, that man is in prison because of what he thinks. Protecting free thought is more important that stopping racism. I'm sorry but it has to be said.

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So it was less important to stop the racial segregation blacks suffered during the 1900's?
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XplodingNoggin Wrote:So it was less important to stop the racial segregation blacks suffered during the 1900's?

You know they did the same to the other races too but you don't see them Whining about it.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:I'm against hate crime laws. Consider this scenario: a man beats up another man because he slept with his wife (or something like that) and gets, say, 10 years in jail. He beats up another man because he hates gays/blacks/Jews/whatever and gets 12 years. So for two years, that man is in prison because of what he thinks. Protecting free thought is more important that stopping racism. I'm sorry but it has to be said.
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XplodingNoggin Wrote:So it was less important to stop the racial segregation blacks suffered during the 1900's?
That was a completely different situation. That wasn't just about racism, it was about actual state-sponsored oppression.

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Hate crime laws should not exist; agreed. But they're good for a politician's popularity, so, fuck politics.

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It's unnecessary bullshit anyway. Giving the same punishments will be enough.

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Yet again, Rebel comes in with the best answer.

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Hate crime laws are stupid and unconstitutional. Who cares about the motivation? We don't arrest based on just the idea of hating someone else based on something they can't control, so why extend the sentence when that idea motivates them to commit a crime?

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