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Quote:Anyways, let me start off by saying that I'm anti-school, not anti-education. I feel that the idea of education needs to be separated from the idea of school, and that new alternate methods of educating need to be used, so as to prevent the one-size-fits-all school systems we have today. I've often seen administrators and teachers in schools pay lip service to "different learning styles", but never quite seeming to grasp what that really means. There aren't just students who learn by doing, who learn by seeing, or learn by copying. There are students who do best when given some freedom to figure things out for themselves, students who do best with rote memorization, students who do best when left alone with a library and an internet connection. There are some that just want to work for a living, and they need a vocational program. There are some who want to become academics, and they need a high quality academic program. And there's plenty of people in between who need something to fit their needs. The education system must accommodate all kinds of learning styles, otherwise it's just going to keep on failing.

That's awesome stuff. If the government didn't regulate us so much on what and how we teach we could do much more along those lines. As it stands right now, some teaching gigs, especially reading, are so regulated it's almost like working in fast food. They tell you that the kids have to use centers, use certain books, use certain computer programs for exact amounts of time. They say 20 minutes on this, 20 minutes on that, and even tell you you're breaking the law if you ignore it. And of course, the people who manufacture these books and computer programs that are aligned with state testing standards have lobbyists that campaign for a system that forces schools to buy their products. In America, it's all driven by greed. Reading is the most corrupt but all subjects suffer from this.

At this point, it's quite difficult to even get to take the kids out to the symphony or to a nature preserve for the day.

If you want to be a different fish, you've got to jump out of the school.


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Quote:I don't know. John Taylor Gatto was a teacher for like 26 years, and then quit because he felt he was doing more harm than good. Grace Llewellyn (I can never spell her name)... was also a teacher, and quit because she felt that unschooling is far superior to anything a teacher can do in school.

Wow. I hadn't even heard of these people but quick Google searches make me realize I have some reading to do. Thank you.

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thought criminal Wrote:Welcome to ss cancer. Don't let the hostile fools let you down, there are plenty of sane people here such as I. Hopefully you can find the time to post on here regularly. we have had a few teachers in the past but they always seem to disappear after a while which is quite a shame because I enjoy seeing things from the perspective of the other side (that being teachers).

I don't mind a little hate. It's healthy. And thanks to all who have already welcomed me and thanks in advance to any more kindness that might get dropped.

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I'm always a bit late to welcoming threads.


Welcome to the forums! Nice to have a teacher who agrees with us. Yes
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Welcome cancer, I really don't have much to say, but try and enjoy yourself Biggrin

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Welcome, if you're not a troll.

GTFO, if you're are a troll.
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Linki Wrote:Welcome, if you're not a troll.

GTFO, if you're are a troll.
This. It's still suspicious that you know what a troll is...

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CrayolaColours Wrote:
Linki Wrote:Welcome, if you're not a troll.

GTFO, if you're are a troll.
This. It's still suspicious that you know what a troll is...
Just because he/she is a teacher he/she automatically is not allowed to know any internet terminology?

Welcome if you're not a troll anyway.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:
Linki Wrote:Welcome, if you're not a troll.

GTFO, if you're are a troll.
This. It's still suspicious that you know what a troll is...

It really is amazing that teachers aren't transported off the planet as soon as school gets out but we aren't. I guess you think the term 'troll' is some really hip lingua but check this out: a teacher specific Internet forum that uses the term 'troll'. This is really wild:

http://forums.atozteacherstuff.com/show ... hp?t=90831

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I don't usually publicly discuss all this and further feed the trolls, but just to clear up any confusion, I'll list the accounts that were created today by the same person.

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In the future, just try to report the post(s) and IGNORE and it will not only make it less "fun" for the troll to play here, but it will make the moderators and my job much easier when it comes to cleaning house. Additionally, our board will be a lot more welcoming. It would be a shame if someone were wrongly accused (which appears to have happened today at least in one case).


I don't really care if you think I'm a troll but it does offend me that you think being teacher means I wouldn't know the meaning of this word. We're not as different as you seem to want to believe. If more young students would realise this we could maybe tear down some walls.

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TheCancer Wrote:I don't really care if you think I'm a troll but it does offend me that you think being teacher means I wouldn't know the meaning of this word. We're not as different as you seem to want to believe. If more young students would realize this we could maybe tear down some walls.
Fix'd.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but every teacher I knew hated computers and the internet. So, if you're a teacher open minded enough to actually use the internet, then applause for you. You're the coolest teacher I've ever known. If you're a troll, then burn in hell. I'm a very spiteful girl... Laugh

I could see where you learned it if you go on teacher forums though.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:
TheCancer Wrote:I don't really care if you think I'm a troll but it does offend me that you think being teacher means I wouldn't know the meaning of this word. We're not as different as you seem to want to believe. If more young students would realize this we could maybe tear down some walls.
Fix'd.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but every teacher I knew hated computers and the internet. So, if you're a teacher open minded enough to actually use the internet, then applause for you. You're the coolest teacher I've ever known. If you're a troll, then burn in hell. I'm a very spiteful girl... Laugh

I could see where you learned it if you go on teacher forums though.

Are you finished with school now? If so, it's my guess that you really didn't have any idea what your teachers were like outside of school. I actually hate using computers at work but they make me. 'Using technology effectively' is a part of the evaulation program my job depends on. I prefer going 'old-school' so to speak and sticking with just books, pencils and paper.

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TheCancer Wrote:I prefer going 'old-school' so to speak and sticking with just books, pencils and paper.
But, by the time we're in the work force, there's going to be no need for books, pencils and paper. It's like ye olden teachers saying "I prefer going 'old-school', we don't need pencils and paper, we only need to know how to write our names."

We're not going to be using pencil and paper for much longer. I type faster than I write, personally.

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Welcome here, and if TrueAnarchist comes around spewing his "all techers r evil ur trollin" bullshit, just ignore him.

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The Desert Fox Wrote:Welcome here, and if TrueAnarchist comes around spewing his "all techers r evil ur trollin" bullshit, just ignore him.

Yeah. Ignore any member called " TrueAnarchist "

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CrayolaColours Wrote:
TheCancer Wrote:I prefer going 'old-school' so to speak and sticking with just books, pencils and paper.
But, by the time we're in the work force, there's going to be no need for books, pencils and paper. It's like ye olden teachers saying "I prefer going 'old-school', we don't need pencils and paper, we only need to know how to write our names."

We're not going to be using pencil and paper for much longer. I type faster than I write, personally.

Maybe so. I just think it's more stylish going old-school. You're going to learn how to use technology on your own anyway. I would rather teach you to appreciate Henry David Thoreau, Zen Buddhism and the beauty of silence; but you're going to win this one anyway. I just think it's sad. I don't want to teach you how to be a good worker. I want to teach you to be a good thinker.

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The Desert Fox Wrote:Welcome here, and if TrueAnarchist comes around spewing his "all techers r evil ur trollin" bullshit, just ignore him.

Yeah. Ignore any member called " TrueAnarchist "

If he's really into anarchism then I like him already.

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TheCancer Wrote:
Pieman Wrote:
The Desert Fox Wrote:Welcome here, and if TrueAnarchist comes around spewing his "all techers r evil ur trollin" bullshit, just ignore him.

Yeah. Ignore any member called " TrueAnarchist "

If he's really into anarchism then I like him already.

Oh no. He thinks that if anarchy happens the whole world will automatically be at peace. It would be great if it did, but c'mon.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:
TheCancer Wrote:I prefer going 'old-school' so to speak and sticking with just books, pencils and paper.
But, by the time we're in the work force, there's going to be no need for books, pencils and paper. It's like ye olden teachers saying "I prefer going 'old-school', we don't need pencils and paper, we only need to know how to write our names."

We're not going to be using pencil and paper for much longer. I type faster than I write, personally.

Maybe so. I just think it's more stylish going old-school. You're going to learn how to use technology on your own anyway. I would rather teach you to appreciate Henry David Thoreau, Zen Buddhism and the beauty of silence; but you're going to win this one anyway. I just think it's sad. I don't want to teach you how to be a good worker. I want to teach you to be a good thinker.
You know when you told me that there were teachers that understood what trolling was. Same for teenagers. I have a deep respect for poets, and one of my best friends is Buddhist. Weren't you paying attention? We're anti school. Not anti learning.

Also, an anarchist teacher? Then doesn't your job go against what you believe in?

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I wouldn't go so far as to say I believe that, but I do think it's a really cool thing to believe. So if someone starts talking like that around me I start thinking 'Oh this guy's alright.' I'm glad people have hope like that. I don't want to crush it by arguing with him. I want to foster it into an even stronger vision.

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Foster... why do I dislike that word so much?

If only anarchy could work.

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I'm not an anarchist but yes in many ways my job does go against what I believe in. And when I said you I didn't mean you I meant people still in school, in general. Lots of teenagers know far more about literature than I ever will. I may not be real smart but I'm smart enough to know I'm not that smart.

Quote:Foster... why do I dislike that word so much?

Because it makes me sound arrogant.

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TheCancer Wrote:Because it makes me sound arrogant.
Must be it. Laugh
And also, I am still in school. I have no other choice in the matter. We're not all idiots, we just barely have the energy to learn outside of school.

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A Hindu Monk at my school sells me a Bhagavad gita, and a teacher in my anti-school forum, must be my lucky day. Biggrin

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CrayolaColours Wrote:We're not all idiots, we just barely have the energy to learn outside of school.

That's BECAUSE of school. If it had different reforms, maybe we would.

The great ones are those who learn how to do this.

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GO FUCKING DIE!!

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Dear Tumblrites: Despite your wrongly self-diagnosed PTSD, no line of scientific evidence suggests people can be triggered over the internet. Triggering works through the senses (i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes through real time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it's ACTUALLY HAPPENING in your ACTUAL life, you CANNOT be triggered. The only exception to this is if you have a seizure, but then again, that's triggered by epilepsy (i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights) NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having a flashback. When you remember, you think; when you flashback, you feel.

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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself." The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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TheCancer Wrote:I don't want to teach you how to be a good worker. I want to teach you to be a good thinker.
Good to hear. Very, very good to hear.
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TheCancer Wrote:
Pieman Wrote:
The Desert Fox Wrote:Welcome here, and if TrueAnarchist comes around spewing his "all techers r evil ur trollin" bullshit, just ignore him.

Yeah. Ignore any member called " TrueAnarchist "

If he's really into anarchism then I like him already.
Oh no no no no no no. And I'll say it again in Spanish: no. Avoid him.

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