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schoolhater234 · 12-17-2009 09:53 AM

Hey all-

While it would be amazing if we could start some crazy revolution and take our lives back and convince everyone that school isn't good for them... it doesn't seem very likely at this point in time.

I don't mean to take away any of your hopes, but steps have to be taken.

This starts with you. Before you can free the others, you have to free yourselves. Free yourselves of the prejudices society has placed upon you. And yes, that even includes teachers. Many teachers are very well meaning. They're not all out to "get" you. Free yourselves of the name calling, fear mongering, and hatred that is so prevalent in societies today. Free yourselves of the idea that kids can't make a difference. Too many kids I know say, "I would, but I'm just a kid. I can't do anything." You CAN. It certainly is harder for a kid to make a difference in this world, because adults see themselves as knowing more. And the truth is, sometimes adults do know more. No one can deny that adults have been around longer than kids... and living is learning, as many of us in the unschooling community like to say.

But- there is no need to fear. YOU TOO can learn. You can learn about whatever you like. That brings me to my final point- Free yourself from school! If there's one thing standing in the way of your learning and real education, it's school itself.

First you must focus on yourself. Once you've freed yourself from what you wish to free the others of, then revolution will be easier to come by. Take steps toward your goal... and have a damn good time doing them. :-)

Good luck.

"Focus on your potential instead of your limitations." - Alan Loy McGinnis

aerftghyjk · 12-17-2009 10:10 AM

I actually agree. Also, check out my sticky "Sick Of School? Revolt! V.2".

**SoulRiser** · 12-17-2009 10:25 AM

Epic win.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world" - Mahatma Gandhi

Quote:"Focus on your potential instead of your limitations." - Alan Loy McGinnis

That guy wrote a book (called The Friendship Factor) which I got ahold of when I was like 12 or something... it had a pretty big influence on me... and he was also the first person I'd ever come across who seemed to have a lot of SENSE in his brain.

Thought Criminal · 12-17-2009 12:18 PM

how the nads is this an announcement?

Vatman · 12-17-2009 01:54 PM

thought criminal Wrote:how the nads is this an announcement?

It touched Soulrisers...hea... wait. Thorax?

returnal · 12-17-2009 03:30 PM

thought criminal Wrote:how the nads is this an announcement?

Oh, sorry, does it offend you that there are no /b/ memes in the OP (which would be necessary to meet your advanced criteria, hmm?) therefore making it totally worthless and unimportant?

Faby · 12-17-2009 07:42 PM

This thread is respectfully shit.

I want to see you, yes, you, OP, drop all your prejudices and hate before I can do so myself. If not, drop your saintliness and don't make threads like these that are dime-a-dozen.

And I want to see you drop at the blink of an eye hatred that was kept bottled up for years on end.

~Mystery~ · 12-17-2009 07:54 PM

LAWL

if I made the op it would have been called Psuedo psychology because its about "changing yourself"

Guess I shouldn't expect more from a bunch of emo fags.

Ceiling Cat · 12-17-2009 09:32 PM

If that makes you feel better, I also dislike this thread.

random_name · 12-18-2009 07:39 AM

Hmm, de announcement?

returnal · 12-18-2009 07:42 AM

The fuck?

So when were all of you guys against something that could very well help us?

random_name · 12-18-2009 07:44 AM

Newtown Wrote:The fuck?

So when were all of you guys against something that could very well help us?

I dont think it's that which they are against. i think it's the prejudices the OP has displayed previously.

**SoulRiser** · 12-19-2009 05:29 AM

So you guys don't want to become more confident, more courageous, more intelligent or more open minded than you currently are? People change all the time, and if you're gonna change anyway, you might as well take control of it to make it as positive and useful as possible.

~Mystery~ · 12-19-2009 05:44 AM

SoulRiser Wrote:So you guys don't want to become more confident, more courageous, more intelligent or more open minded than you currently are? People change all the time, and if you're gonna change anyway, you might as well take control of it to make it as positive and useful as possible.

You should just be yourself and be more authentic Rolleyes

Hidden stuff:

schoolhater234 · 12-28-2009 01:37 AM

Yes, I was very surprised when I saw many of the responses to my post. By acting like that, you all are acting just like everyone else, exactly what I was trying to say not to do in my post. You all obviously have been affected by your society and the schooling system. I'm not denying I haven't either! Many times I find myself acting in ways I wish I was not acting. Many times I find myself being mean, hurting other people. I didn't mean to make it like I'm amazing and you're all flawed. I'm definitely not. But for myself and for all of you, we can all change and BE WHO WE WANT TO BE.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Rebelnerd · 12-28-2009 02:22 AM

Being who you want to be is wonderful. But a few people celebrating their individuality won't make much of a difference, and if they did, it would be easy for their opponents to stifle them. Unless there is a genuine, dedicated, and politically aware movement that can unite all those scattered individuals in pursuit of a goal, we're never going to get anywhere.
Educating yourself is not enough. If a massive segment of the student population just started ignoring their schooling and learning things that the rest of society didn't want them to know, they won't just sit their wringing their hands. They'll come down on those free-spirited kids with intimidation and legislation specifically designed to force them back in line. And if the dissident students honestly believe that fighting for their freedom is only worth it if they're having "a damn good time," then they won't stand a chance.
I understand what you're trying to say here and I think it's admirable, but it's just not a realistic option with society the way it is. At least not on its own.

~Mystery~ · 12-28-2009 06:39 PM

Rebelnerd Wrote:I understand what you're trying to say here and I think it's admirable, but it's just not a realistic option with society the way it is. At least not on its own.

Originial Post's quote Wrote:"Focus on your potential instead of your limitations." - Alan Loy McGinnis

Sociopath · 02-18-2010 03:38 PM

Mystery Wrote:
Originial Post's quote Wrote:"Focus on your potential instead of your limitations." - Alan Loy McGinnis

The Desert Fox · 02-18-2010 03:57 PM

TrueAnarchist Wrote:
Mystery Wrote:
Originial Post's quote Wrote:"Focus on your potential instead of your limitations." - Alan Loy McGinnis

All those guidance-office slogans don't really work that well.

McGee! · 02-19-2010 04:15 AM

I think I see what you mean....

The Desert Fox Wrote:
TrueAnarchist]
[quote=Originial Post's quote Wrote:"Focus on your potential instead of your limitations." - Alan Loy McGinnis

All those guidance-office slogans don't really work that well.[/quote]
Except for the Captain Kirk poster I am next to right now.

Rastko · 02-07-2011 06:39 AM

I only partially agree with the OP. I would never say "children/adults know more/better." Just as I do not judge it by race, ethnicity or anything similar, I do not judge knowledge on the basis of age. Empiricism is reactionary, in my opinion.

xcriteria · 03-18-2011 12:58 PM

Rebelnerd Wrote:Being who you want to be is wonderful. But a few people celebrating their individuality won't make much of a difference, and if they did, it would be easy for their opponents to stifle them. Unless there is a genuine, dedicated, and politically aware movement that can unite all those scattered individuals in pursuit of a goal, we're never going to get anywhere.
Educating yourself is not enough. If a massive segment of the student population just started ignoring their schooling and learning things that the rest of society didn't want them to know, they won't just sit their wringing their hands. They'll come down on those free-spirited kids with intimidation and legislation specifically designed to force them back in line. And if the dissident students honestly believe that fighting for their freedom is only worth it if they're having "a damn good time," then they won't stand a chance.
I understand what you're trying to say here and I think it's admirable, but it's just not a realistic option with society the way it is. At least not on its own.

This implies that there is no purposeful goal except for a collectively-pursued goal. That's patently untrue. Each of us has to live our own lives, and each of us can make a huge difference in our own life by making the most of it. The purpose of goals, of life, is each person's individual life. A movement consists of a number of individuals, and any broad movement of a revolutionary sort tends to trample the individual in the name of the leaders of the movement.

"The system" is not holding down individuals anywhere near as much as individuals' ingrained concepts, beliefs, and lack of self-awareness hold them down. A secondary cause of restraint is other individuals in one's life (like parents, peers, or significant other.) In the US at least, it's possible to homeschool in some form, drop out, change schools, or pressure your school to alter your requirements with an IEP, if you have your parents backing. It's fundamentally about what you do with your time, and secondarily negotiating what you can with your parents.

Contrary to what you may believe, we do not live under fascism. Yes, governments tend to feel threatened by collective movements fueled by chaos and the control of a few leaders, and blind rebellion. Yes, political ideals are contested. But that has little to do with what you can do with your life, unless your entire identity is bound up in a collective ideal.

This isn't about "celebrating our individuality", it's about being a individual, and making the most of one's time while one has the luxury of a place to stay, even if many hours of each week are stolen from you by being forced to go to school.

xcriteria · 03-18-2011 01:18 PM

SoulRiser Wrote:So you guys don't want to become more confident, more courageous, more intelligent or more open minded than you currently are? People change all the time, and if you're gonna change anyway, you might as well take control of it to make it as positive and useful as possible.

schoolhater234 Wrote:Yes, I was very surprised when I saw many of the responses to my post. By acting like that, you all are acting just like everyone else, exactly what I was trying to say not to do in my post. You all obviously have been affected by your society and the schooling system. I'm not denying I haven't either! Many times I find myself acting in ways I wish I was not acting. Many times I find myself being mean, hurting other people. I didn't mean to make it like I'm amazing and you're all flawed. I'm definitely not. But for myself and for all of you, we can all change and BE WHO WE WANT TO BE.

Start with the I: I, individual. And yeah, realizing that who you are and what you think is heavily based on your parents, the media, school, role models or some reaction to those things -- down to your deepest assumptions. Realizing that is an early step toward having a more independent perspective.

And hate is almost always a matter of seeing things you've rejected from yourself (memories, ways of using your mind, beliefs you've had or still partly have) onto others.

This is called "projection" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection and related to the following Biblical wisdom, of all things:
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

**SoulRiser** · 03-20-2011 02:59 AM

Quote:"The system" is not holding down individuals anywhere near as much as individuals' ingrained concepts, beliefs, and lack of self-awareness hold them down. A secondary cause of restraint is other individuals in one's life (like parents, peers, or significant other.)

This verily. Very well said. Yes

In a way, fighting against "the system" directly is actually acknowledging that it has power over us, and that it's important somehow. If people stopped believing it, it would cease to have power completely. Imagine the president ordering the generals of the army to do something, and the generals and the rest of the army going "Uh, wait, who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do? You're just some guy...". Yeah sure, not likely to happen very soon, but it'd be better overall than just forcing them to allow people to do what they want - as if people need their permission.

Manicrose · 03-20-2011 04:49 AM

SoulRiser Wrote:If people stopped believing it, it would cease to have power completely. Imagine the president ordering the generals of the army to do something, and the generals and the rest of the army going "Uh, wait, who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do? You're just some guy...". Yeah sure, not likely to happen very soon, but it'd be better overall than just forcing them to allow people to do what they want - as if people need their permission.

QFT. It'll be just as hard to get other people to agree with us, especially when they've been fed bullshit all their lives through the system they're used to living in. Eh, the kids at my school who know about this forum probably think we're nuts anyway.

schoolhater234 Wrote:we can all change and BE WHO WE WANT TO BE.

Yeah but then we have to do something about it, not just "be," but act.

Geeksta · 03-31-2011 11:41 AM

The kids at my school who know of us think we are either geniuses or insane. At least we don't fall for all the blatant lies they always try to feed us.

Absnt · 03-31-2011 02:15 PM

Geeksta Wrote:The kids at my school who know of us think we are either geniuses or insane. At least we don't fall for all the blatant lies they always try to feed us.

People know of us? Oh cool.

.Manicrose. · 03-31-2011 02:18 PM

Oh I feel so famous.

**SoulRiser** · 03-31-2011 10:27 PM

Geeksta Wrote:The kids at my school who know of us think we are either geniuses or insane. At least we don't fall for all the blatant lies they always try to feed us.

Some of them should come here and meet us face to... er.. keyboard to keyboard. Razz

Loxor · 04-01-2011 03:40 AM

Geeksta Wrote:The kids at my school who know of us think we are either geniuses or insane. At least we don't fall for all the blatant lies they always try to feed us.

So, eliminating the impossible here... we're all insane. Smile

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