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"Child" labor

"Child" labor is only an excuse to forbid working for people with less than 18 revolutions of the earth around the sun during their lifespan, called "minors" by the government. It's one of the laws that makes it impossible for us to be, at least legally, self-sustainable, the only jobs we can get are part-time, extremely low paying miserable jobs such as car washing.

It's possible to get decent amounts of money by some means such as advertising on the internet, but it is actually being legally given out to an "adult". Only if one such person thinks that you should be allowed to get that money, will you be able to get it, again, at least legally.

It is hypocritical because community service can be forced onto "minors" for disrespecting the authority of "adults". I was once in school, two students that I knew were talking and laughing together, etc, disrupting the control of the teacher. The teacher yelled at them, told them to get out and come talk to him, I don't remember what happened exactly, but I remember he threatened to give them community service. What's the difference between this and the supposed "right" we have of not being able to work as adults? None.

I know that sometimes children are abused of, blah blah blah, but that's very rare and normally only happens to those who aren't physically or mentally strong enough to stand up for themselves.

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That is why I strongly endorse shoplifting. Us minors can't even afford a loaf of bread despite working long and hard at school. Its amazing how no one even bats an eye at this issue.

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Worst of all is that even if you get a job theres a limit every week.Not that I'm saying every low paying job should push you for more hours but sometimes you will need more cash even if it's $5 an hour.When I can finally get a job I can save and actually have freedom to spend the way I want and not be pressed for money.

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Child labor laws are poorly written and rife with loopholes. For instance, it's possible, at least in Ct, for a minor to work multiple jobs, so long as the time spent on each individual job is less than 32 hours.

There's also no legal limit to how much time a minor can spend running errands, baby sitting, cleaning house, and mowing lawns, so long as he or she isn't employed by an actual company.
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I agree for the most part, but there do need to be some regulations. Remember that those laws were written to stop Industrial-Revolution corporations from sending 5 year olds into deathtrap coal mines for a few cents a day.

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I like how sophisticated the Op is trying to sound.
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I can actually get $50 a week for just taking care of someone's cat for a week, but regardless, I still agree with the OP. As long as the child has the exact same rights to the job that an adult has, I see no problem with it.

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The Desert Fox Wrote:I can actually get $50 a week for just taking care of someone's cat for a week, but regardless, I still agree with the OP. As long as the child has the exact same rights to the job that an adult has, I see no problem with it.

So, destroying what we already strove to do is good?

I don't understand, do you want to be working in a coal mine for little?

I actually don't want to feel obliged to have a job.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:Remember that those laws were written to stop Industrial-Revolution corporations from sending 5 year olds into deathtrap coal mines for a few cents a day.


I had that in mind, but I agree with the OP entirely. The laws should be reformed.
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Rebelnerd Wrote:I agree for the most part, but there do need to be some regulations. Remember that those laws were written to stop Industrial-Revolution corporations from sending 5 year olds into deathtrap coal mines for a few cents a day.

Yes, but labor laws in general, even for adults, were pretty shitty back then. We have all kinds of employment regulations now, that we do not have to worry about it. The laws should be lowered to something like 12 or 13 years old.

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Oni-Chiisu Wrote:I like how sophisticated the Op is trying to sound.

You contributed absolutely nothing to the thread.

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The Desert Fox Wrote:I can actually get $50 a week for just taking care of someone's cat for a week, but regardless, I still agree with the OP. As long as the child has the exact same rights to the job that an adult has, I see no problem with it.

So, destroying what we already strove to do is good?

I don't understand, do you want to be working in a coal mine for little?
...No, today small children aren't sent into deathtraps on shit pay.

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Because of child labor laws, that you're trying to reform.

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Because of child labor laws, that you're trying to reform.
What? I don't understand what you're even saying now.

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Karus Wrote:...

Because of child labor laws, that you're trying to reform.
What? I don't understand what you're even saying now.

I don't understand why you're trying to change labor laws that won't allow you to work in a fucking coal mine.

If the companies could exploit child labor, they would.

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I said earlier, as long as the minor gets the same treatment as an adult (salary, able to quit whenever, for example) I see no problem with it.

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But they don't get the same treatment. Unless there are significant victories in youth rights and youths' status as citizens, we shouldn't risk eroding child labor laws. Think about how shitty some companies treat their adult workers; can you imagine if they suddenly had access to a segment of the population that couldn't even vote? "Nope, sorry kid, I talked with your parents and they don't want you going to the union meeting tonight because you have homework to do. Now get back to sawing up those cow carcasses."
Until minors have the same social and political status as adults, child labor reform will only breed a generation of slaves.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:But they don't get the same treatment. Unless there are significant victories in youth rights and youths' status as citizens, we shouldn't risk eroding child labor laws. Think about how shitty some companies treat their adult workers; can you imagine if they suddenly had access to a segment of the population that couldn't even vote? "Nope, sorry kid, I talked with your parents and they don't want you going to the union meeting tonight because you have homework to do. Now get back to sawing up those cow carcasses."
Until minors have the same social and political status as adults, child labor reform will only breed a generation of slaves.
Unfortunately, I'm well aware of that. That's why I said as long as they get the same treatment. If they don't, then I'm not for it.

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Just as planned, you know? Actually, if you guys could have a little more reading comprehension, you might see what I meant.
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You contributed absolutely nothing to the thread.

Just as planned, you know? Actually, if you guys could have a little more reading comprehension, you might see what I meant.

No, I think I know what you meant, based on your history of posting. You still didn't contribute anything to the thread other than ruining it. Moron.

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No, I think I know what you meant, based on your history of posting. You still didn't contribute anything to the thread other than ruining it. Moron.

Enlighten me, if you know what I meant. I'll let the moron comment slide, because, you know, petty insults are only gonna show how petty you are.
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Employment regulations don't help. It's an issue of justice. If a child goes to work in a "deathtrap coal mine" and gets killed, it may or may not be their fault. If the company took reasonable precautions to ensure the child knew what they were getting into then you have nothing to complain about. On the other hand, if they are unaware of the danger to their life (i.e. did not consent to life-endangering work) then the company is at fault.

The greatest problem in the world today is how everyone runs to government and regulation to solve their problems. For example, there is greater awareness towards racial and sexual discrimination in the workplace. These are bad things and I agree they need to be stopped but, nevertheless, making it illegal for a person to hire and fire based on race or gender takes away their freedom. There is no need for child labour regulations because there is a greater awareness and care towards children in the workplace. The very fact that people care means when a company mistreats a child it would be horrible for their public image which gives them an incentive not to do it.

What I mean is, no one has to tell Pepsi Co. that selling contaminated soda is bad. Killing their customers isn't good for business.

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I remember when I was 15 I wanted to work. to make MONEY! but nooooooooooo...I'm being repressed if I WANT to get a job.

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Kirby Wrote:Employment regulations don't help. It's an issue of justice. If a child goes to work in a "deathtrap coal mine" and gets killed, it may or may not be their fault. If the company took reasonable precautions to ensure the child knew what they were getting into then you have nothing to complain about. On the other hand, if they are unaware of the danger to their life (i.e. did not consent to life-endangering work) then the company is at fault.

The greatest problem in the world today is how everyone runs to government and regulation to solve their problems. For example, there is greater awareness towards racial and sexual discrimination in the workplace. These are bad things and I agree they need to be stopped but, nevertheless, making it illegal for a person to hire and fire based on race or gender takes away their freedom. There is no need for child labour regulations because there is a greater awareness and care towards children in the workplace. The very fact that people care means when a company mistreats a child it would be horrible for their public image which gives them an incentive not to do it.

What I mean is, no one has to tell Pepsi Co. that selling contaminated soda is bad. Killing their customers isn't good for business.
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Because of child labor laws, that you're trying to reform.
What? I don't understand what you're even saying now.

I don't understand why you're trying to change labor laws that won't allow you to work in a fucking coal mine.

If the companies could exploit child labor, they would.

This is a false dilemma just because we want to reform labour laws doesn't mean we will again make kids work in coal mines.

Your argument sounds much like the pro-schoolers who say you'll work at burger king without school.

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Because of child labor laws, that you're trying to reform.

I doubt anyone here is advocating that 5 year olds should be allowed to work in factories or coal mines like they did in the past.

And I don't think the original child labor laws ever intended to limit 16 and 17 year olds in the way they do now. It's gotten to the point where it's against the law for a youth to use a butchers knife while on the job. It's considered hazardous equipment. Which means a youth can't even work and gain experience as a prep cook.
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We're not talking about coal mines, we're talking about getting a decent job. If the boss is unfair, they can just quit.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:We're not talking about coal mines, we're talking about getting a decent job. If the boss is unfair, they can just quit.

THIS!
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CrayolaColours Wrote:We're not talking about coal mines, we're talking about getting a decent job. If the boss is unfair, they can just quit.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:We're not talking about coal mines, we're talking about getting a decent job. If the boss is unfair, they can just quit.
*applause from capitalists*

That's why it's called a job market, not a slave market.

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