Are you going to force your kids to go to school?

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

I am just curious... I remember finding my dads old middle school year book. In it he wrote how school was like prison and how he hated it and what not. I have NEVER heard him express those thoughts and he acts as if school is God's gift to humans...

I have a feeling many people here will grow up and see their hate of school as childish and immature... because many people don't like school... but they still support it irrationally.

Edit: My kids will only go to school if they want to... otherwise we will probably unschool.

[.Manicrose.]

I'm not gonna have kids, but if I did I'd never be a hypocrite and support school.

[SaintVicious]

Yes, homeschooling may be better for the edumacation they will get, but you don't learn how to act social when your HS'd I am going to tell my child to be nice and blend in and whatever and help him accomplish that, but I will give him some tips and tricks to life at that age.

[HeartofShadows]

Not gonna have kids period as nowadays its just a trap so you can be controlled easier.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

HeartofShadows Wrote:Not gonna have kids period as nowadays its just a trap so you can be controlled easier.

Just curious... how so?

[The Desert Fox]

If they want to, I'll have no problem with their choice. But if they don't want to, I'll fully encourage them to do online schooling or something.

Assuming I do have kids of course.

[Reptorian]

Why should I have to place them in a place that has harmed me against my will and changes my personality toward humans unless they ask? The answer is no.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Comrade Wrote:Yes, homeschooling may be better for the edumacation they will get, but you don't learn how to act social when your HS'd I am going to tell my child to be nice and blend in and whatever and help him accomplish that, but I will give him some tips and tricks to life at that age.

School is incredibly terrible when it comes to teaching social skills. It segregates based on age... it gives people arbitrary power... it forces people to be in contact with others they do not like...

Who is your kid going to blend in with? Hell first you would have to determine their personality... are they naturally charismatic and/or athletic and/or attractive? You better hope so... Blending in? If they are one of the traits I mentioned they will likely be on the more popular side. Sadly popular kids are pressured to insult and mock those *lower* than them. What if he is in the *nerd* group? Possibly the *goth* group... or hell he might just be in the straight up *loser* group. Forever labeling him and probably affecting how he views himself and the world for the rest of his life. Hopefully he doesn't become the target of a bully... there is no escape then.

School is a fucking retarded social system.

[Reptorian]

What if he doesn't belong to be with humans at all and still have social skills? I turned to be an asocial person after years of schooling and I haven't talked to my peers more than 10 sec a month recently because I don't care to be involved with humans so my views of myself is neutral. Being labeled as a freak does not always affects someone to be like that, unschool.

[Aya]

Depends on my financial situation. If I can afford it I'll homeschool them until 4th grade. After that they can choose what school they want to go to. (public, private, pariochal, charter). Once they get to highschool the options of trade and online school will be open to them.

[HeartofShadows]

UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:

HeartofShadows Wrote:Not gonna have kids period as nowadays its just a trap so you can be controlled easier.

Just curious... how so?

Nowadays parents with kids and families can be easily manipulated for their sake.
Some employers actually grin evil smiles when they hear that their hiree has a family as they have to deal with shit conditions for their family. Besides you can't up and do anything now if you have kids(Plus they cost to damn much).

[batboy138]

I'm not even sure if I'll have kids to begin with. Although the thought has crossed my mind. But if I do have kids, I won't send them to school. Ever.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Quote:Being labeled as a freak does not always affects someone to be like that, unschool.

No but it will affect them in some way or another. Whether we want to believe it or not we are affected by others around us. We can pretend to be the "I don't care what anyone thinks" person but we do care... we are social animals. To me this is why school is so dangerous. Normally we should have the freedom to leave those who harm us (whether physically or verbally)... school prevents this.

[magikarp]

Comrade Wrote:Yes, homeschooling may be better for the edumacation they will get, but you don't learn how to act social when your HS'd I am going to tell my child to be nice and blend in and whatever and help him accomplish that, but I will give him some tips and tricks to life at that age.

I think the social skills argument is usually based in severely misplaced priorities. Why should any possible benefit, whether it be better education or more emotional maturity or even just less stress, automatically be overriden because it might make someone act weird?

Also, I don't think homeschooled kids not fitting in with other kids their age is really a matter of social skills (inasfar as the concept even makes sense) to begin with. Most adults, most people, really, don't get along efortlessly with people with whom they have little in common, but in most cases, you don't pick one person to blame for the lack of shared experience.

[Prince Rilian]

No, of course not, what the fuck.

[SaintVicious]

magikarp Wrote:

Comrade Wrote:Yes, homeschooling may be better for the edumacation they will get, but you don't learn how to act social when your HS'd I am going to tell my child to be nice and blend in and whatever and help him accomplish that, but I will give him some tips and tricks to life at that age.

I think the social skills argument is usually based in severely misplaced priorities. Why should any possible benefit, whether it be better education or more emotional maturity or even just less stress, automatically be overriden because it might make someone act weird?

Also, I don't think homeschooled kids not fitting in with other kids their age is really a matter of social skills (inasfar as the concept even makes sense) to begin with. Most adults, most people, really, don't get along efortlessly with people with whom they have little in common, but in most cases, you don't pick one person to blame for the lack of shared experience.

You can have all the knowledge in the world but if you can't get your point across then whats the point?

[robexib]

I wouldn't force my kids to go to school, and frankly, home-schooling is better.

"Well, how are they gonna socialise, Rawb?"

Simple, really. Ingenious, in fact. As crazy as it sounds, there are homeschool groups out there who could have children around my kid's age, and a few other ranges, to help with socialisation. Seriously, there is shit like that out there.

"Well, then, what about getting out of the house?"

So what if they didn't leave? And even if they did, I would hope it would be to either socialise or to do something to better their lives. Study plants or something, I don't know. If they just wanted to appreciate nature or breathe some natural air, that's cool, too. Jogs? Sure!

"WELL FUCK, THERE GO MY ARGUMENTS!"

Damn right they're gone.

Anyway, this is all assuming I actually have a kid, which I severly doubt.

[Elfy]

No, if I have children I wouldn't force them to go. I would homeschool them from the start and then of course, I would give them a choice. I wouldn't let them go through the vast amounts of uselessness school brings and a lack of choice. I would encourage and help them learn maths and English but for other subjects I wouldn't force them upon them.

You don't need school and it's students to teach social skills. When I look around me today, the social norm is for girls to be dumb and piled with makeup and boys to go out and get pissed up every Friday and fuck loads of women. At home, you can teach your own child social skills, take them to clubs they may be interested in etc.

[Efs]

Never! If I have children I'll treat them with respect and I'll teach them on my own, and if they do go to school I won't care if they get in trouble. As long as they ain't beating up kids or being little shits, I'm on the kids side!

[SoulRiser]

In the unlikely event that I find myself with kids (most likely adopted or somesuch)... hell no. They will be able to choose when and where and how they want to learn stuff. I will not force them to do anything they don't want to do.

As for that social skills argument... lol
Going to school did wonders for my social skills. It broke down my self esteem so much that I was uber paranoid and thought everyone was talking shit about me all the time, and I would go to great lengths to avoid human interaction. I wasn't like that before I started school. So, that's a complete and utter bullshit argument. I learned better social skills from playing computer games with people than I ever learned in school.

[AngryCollegeDude]

But for the most part, no. I'd probably have them go at first, but if they have any problems, I'd fucking listen. I will not be one of those parents who would just say "suck it up that's life" if a my kid has problems with school. Be it teachers, bullies, or any other bullshit that goes on in this hellhole. If my kid ends up depressed thanks to school (which is very likely), I'd get them the fuck out.

[Thade_Chan]

I know others have said it (HoS for example), but, don't have kids. The government has you by a leash if you do.

[Phrozen_Soul]

Probably not going to have kids. A) I don't want one B) Money C) Our global situation is only getting worse and will continue getting worse.

[SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT]

I would never have a child to suffer in this ridiculous world.

[flann]

If I actually find a relationship that people don't use me as a tool only, maybe I'll actually have kids. But maybe not.

Anyways, Only if they WANTED too. I'd might have to do a private teacher or something, but hopefully something otherwise. I know what I'd have to teach him/her, and they'd probably learn it 3 times quicker than school. Then we could discuss the problems of school.

Besides, I do remember that Disney quote where he said something about people forgetting what it was like when they were young. I still don't remember much about recent school, but I do know I learned nothing and I suffered more mental damage than I learned.


AKA No.

Summer school HELL NO. That's like you have a part time job in slavery, and you signed up to go to full time slavery. USE THE LOGIC BRO

[Absnt]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1i2b6 ... people_fun

Aaaand, most of us aren't even going to have kids. We WOULD treat them right, but your fucking stupid if you think we're going to have them.

[psychopath]

Absentinsomniac Wrote:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1i2b6_...people_fun

Aaaand, most of us aren't even going to have kids. We WOULD treat them right, but your fucking stupid if you think we're going to have them.

LOL that was good.

[Katelyn]

I don't know if I will ever have kids but if I do then no. I will home school them (SOMEHOW) if they don't want to go. My kids could have social anxiety like mine (or worse) and it could drive them to do some pretty bad things (like what I did). It would be a bit hard at first when they are young but I don't want my children to go threw what I did.

[Heil_Kaiba8921]

i haven't even decided if i'm going into the military for life...but if i have kids while in the military then i'll get them into skool if i'm in one place for atleast a whole semester.

[Trekkie_Aspie]

Well, I'd need to have kids first, but really education otherwise rocks. MIS and CRAM sum up my thinking quite well. Maslow, Indiviual, Socialisation. Maslow as in Maslow's Heirachy of needs. 'A hungry child won't care about learning' among other things. Individual is quite simple really - if a child is mostly performing at Yr5 level, but is performing at Y4 level in English and Y6 level in Maths...their work assignments should reflect that, even if they're in Yr 3 or Yr 7 chronologically. Socialisation is actually quite a big reason why I intend education otherwise... My child will be receiving explicit social instruction and will be practising it in a real world environment and not the artificial construct of 20 others all born within eleven months of you.

CRAM is more of a curriculum than a philosophy. My child needs to be taught Communication (reading, writing, speaking and listening, socialisation and language, both verbal and non-verbal), Research skills (most importantly, knowing whether a source is reliable, valid, both or neither) and Maths (lots of things but mainly budgeting whether that's time-management or a money-budget. All time-management is is budgeting with time, rather than money, after all.) If I teach them those three, they will have Access to anything in the world they wish to learn.

Basically, there are certain legal requirements, I have to meet. I intend some sort of formality for twelve hours a week. Once they're mainly self-sufficient, it'll be 'Here are some workbooks that take twelve hours a week to do. If you get stuck, just try another one. We'll discuss them at the end of the week but if you haven't done any, you're doing twelve hours of work right then. You're in the Fair Club, by the way.' But the cirriculum's main purpose is for my children to be life-long learners. Actually...no, I'm not mean enough to make them do workbooks on a regular basis. What I am mean enough to do is to keep them for those kids that just refuse to tell me things I need to know as a parent. I'll record fun stuff as educational as much as possible but...let's just say those who refuse to let me by not giving me the details will unleash... some sort of mean mum arsesnal.

'Fair club' is basically grounding with some minor adjustments. The child is grounded to the family, rather than their room. That way, family members can do whatever and you needn't punish someone else just because the child isn't behaving. You're going to a party? Well, the kid can read a textbook or work on their fair club assignment. Also, the assignment means that the child has to do something to go see their friends again. For example, they can't be horrible to their brother, get grounded for 2 weeks and continue being horrible to their brother and just 'wait' the time out. Also, the child has assigned seats and such since they clearly have issues with choices. Choosing where you sit is a privilege...you lose it by making irresponsible choices on important things.

There's also the trust jar, which I think will be added to my armory when I have kids. Jar per kid and marbles get taken away when they do something worthy of losing trust (missing curfew and not calling) and added when they do something responsible (coming home on time or early, missing curfew but calling). The jar isn't expected to be full but you get bonuses if it is. For example, let's say my child consistently kept their jar full from their 10th birthday to their 11th birthday. They're showing judgement above their age. My response should be along the lines of "You want to watch a '12' film, honey?"

However, if my 15 year old child's jar is a 1/3 full ... well, that makes them about 5 or 6...so line-of-sight supervision ahoy! If you keep the jar nearly full, you get treated as your actual age. In short, you get treated like whatever age you act like.

Traditional grounding has its place but is likely to be used for quite severe things. Bullying is one of those severe things. Mainly because about 80% of bullies end up doing time but still. That and the high victim-suicide rate. In other words, if my kid is actually grounded, rather than in the fair club, they are IN BIG TROUBLE. Mummy reserves the right to blend your food. It's still nutritionally just as healthy but likely won't taste good. Yes, I've deliberately pinched a punishment from prison because actual grounding is going to be for law-breaking or law-breaking-risk behaviours and it's supposed to be like a short-term prison sentence.