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Shutter Island
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Shutter Island

This thread contains spoilers so if you wanted to see it I would recomend not participating in this disscussion.

So I just went and saw it. It was an excellent movie and actualy made me jump once or twice. However the ending is what got me. The Idea that we can create our own worlds when something so traumatizing or evil has happend that we create another world, and even an alter ego sometimes. It also brings up the length at which we will deny the real world in favor of our fictional one to the point of violence. The only way to bring an individual out of thier fictional world is to present absolutly unfailable proof of the real world. Something that is embeded so into us that it can shatter the fictional. IE: The pictures of his dead children. The movie then brought up relapse, the idea that even though the fictional world has been shattered in order to brin them back, that they will continue to create this world over and over again in order to keep sane so to speak. Are these people sane, or insane? Sane as in found a way to succesfully cope with an event of such magnitude or absolutly off their rocker?

Whilst some work diligently there are those who ask why. I am one of them
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Re: Shutter Island

Excellent film would not be how I would categorize Shutter Island. But if you really wanted to defend that point, you can join the mass group of people sitting around me who complained about "that bitch who kept laughing at all the good moments and predicting what would happen before it happened".

But the filmmaking and god awful script aside, I found the story rather interesting and elaborate. It could even help explain some of the awful dialogue that was in place. They were acting out a role-play so something is going to seem very off about everything. I have what I almost want to call a fetish with conspiracies surrounding the mental healthcare system. I guess it's not technically a fetish but it is this delicious obsession I have with the notion.

But this is a slippery slope. A lot of bad but fascinating coping mechanisms are the basis for a diagnosis in the mental health field. Now I think of Secretary with Maggie Gyllenhaal. She, and many other people, are depressed and have anxiety over masochistic impulses. Cutting is one of many coping mechanisms that people have. It can lead to addiction and therefore it's something therapists everywhere generally discourage. But the BDSM community is something that embraces that and healthy people exist inside it. Are these people truly sick if they are able to function? I would say it's generally dangerous territory, but that's not to say it can't be navigated properly and not interfere with a person's ability to function. They may even function better.

The film was playing with coping mechanisms and insanity in a very different sense. And it can get very complex. But I would say that while developing such mechanisms seems reasonable and has a certain sense to it, it also severely interfered with his ability to function. And that's generally what people worry about. If it results in stable consequences, then it might be abnormal but okay. If it results in unstable consequences that make a person unable to live his life and actually inflicts violence on those around him, then that is grounds for medical attention.

Let's do the time warp again!
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