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I was at the store yesterday...

And saw the two most fail books, right next to each other. I raged, then I raged harder.

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If you didn't rage yet. Watch this.
I had to watch that shit live on television last year. Damn did I rage.

Then I saw a book about finding the right drugs for your troubled child.

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Why does The Cult of Perfection enrage you?

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CrayolaColours Wrote:Watch this.
The author of that book was the asshole in this video.

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This is the part where I roll my eyes. Is it an overreaction? Yes. Can I see where she's coming from? Yes.

Holding an opinion that is contrary to yours doesn't make someone an asshole. I like to think it's their behavior and delivery that makes them assholes. I can see how FOX's news network constantly catering to the conservative bubble would cause a person to be morbidly fascinated but come on. It's almost funny.

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She reviewed a game that she didn't even play, made a huge deal about two minutes worth of the side of an alien boob, completely skipped over the fact you can play as a man or a woman, and ignored the fact that it's a relationship based system, and most teenage boys I know would be more interested in playing the asshole and missing out on the two minute cut scene. She also stated that teenagers don't know the difference between reality and videogames. Plus, she completely forgets the fact that there is MUCH worse on MTV alone, ignored the one guy who's making sense, and pretty much cuts him off. Then her and her little friends proceed to wonder why it didn't get an Adults only rating, and call the toughest rating system in the world easy. All for an optional cutscene that I happened to skip right over anyway. And you expect me not to rage when I see her book?

Now, what exactly do you agree with?

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I agree it's an overreaction but she's a concerned parent and female. I know I'm bitching all the time about how women (and other demographics) are portrayed in the media. Yes, she went into the interview uneducated and she looked like the fool. It's hard to take her seriously but that's why she's on FOX NEWS. Why are you even watching FOX? It's such a laughably biased news network.

And she makes an excellent point. I mean I don't know what the alternative would be to adult websites but it's crazy to think that the best they can do to keep younger kids away is giving them an option to click under eighteen or over eighteen. Granted, I'm registering what she's saying with porn, an industry which I loathe and am enraged by. I'm not comparing alien virtual sideboob to pornography, but the website access presents a similar problem.

And studies do show that video games played in excess can increase violent behavior in people, especially younger folks whose minds are still developing. I argued counter to this point in debate class and I don't think it's significant enough for everyone to throw a hissy fit over, but I think it is something everyone should be at least a little bit aware of.

Generally, I think everyone should always be mindful of what they're exposing themselves too. A large percentage of adults don't do it for themselves and so you know a large percentage of kids aren't going to discipline themselves on that point either. So yes, I feel that parents and media-makers bear some responsibility on censoring things for kids. I'm not saying Mass Effect in particular but I'm saying media makers in general. Because yeah, I agree. Video games are everyone's favorite scapegoat but MTV and other sources are problematic too.

But it's back to the roots of feminism and images that young girls and boys are bombarded with. This is such a tiny window, but I can understand where the woman is coming from. Now, I also understand video games. And she doesn't. And I pity her for that. Because she can't make the point she wants to and she's focusing on the wrong things.

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Happy Camper Wrote:I agree it's an overreaction but she's a concerned parent and female. I know I'm bitching all the time about how women (and other demographics) are portrayed in the media. Yes, she went into the interview uneducated and she looked like the fool. It's hard to take her seriously but that's why she's on FOX NEWS. Why are you even watching FOX? It's such a laughably biased news network.
My mom watches it religiously, and I happened to walk by.
Happy Camper Wrote:And she makes an excellent point. I mean I don't know what the alternative would be to adult websites but it's crazy to think that the best they can do to keep younger kids away is giving them an option to click under eighteen or over eighteen. Granted, I'm registering what she's saying with porn, an industry which I loathe and am enraged by. I'm not comparing alien virtual sideboob to pornography, but the website access presents a similar problem.
Sure, I guess that could be a valid argument. I'm actually still trying to decide whether or not things should be censored at all for children, I don't know whether letting them know straight out is a good or bad thing. I know I look back at my innocence very fondly, and don't know if it's right for that to be taken away. The thing is, like you said, Mass Effect and straight out Porn are two very different things. Nothing bad is on that website, so whether or not kids see it is a non-issue.

Happy Camper Wrote:And studies do show that video games played in excess can increase violent behavior in people, especially younger folks whose minds are still developing. I argued counter to this point in debate class and I don't think it's significant enough for everyone to throw a hissy fit over, but I think it is something everyone should be at least a little bit aware of.
I've heard that, but I have to wonder, is it the video games that cause the violence, or is it that violent people are more likely to play video games? Maybe it's because I don't have testosterone, but video games makes me less likely to punch someone in the face, and without it I would probably have been in juvy by now. So, on that point, I remain neutral.

Happy Camper Wrote:Generally, I think everyone should always be mindful of what they're exposing themselves too. A large percentage of adults don't do it for themselves and so you know a large percentage of kids aren't going to discipline themselves on that point either. So yes, I feel that parents and media-makers bear some responsibility on censoring things for kids. I'm not saying Mass Effect in particular but I'm saying media makers in general. Because yeah, I agree. Video games are everyone's favorite scapegoat but MTV and other sources are problematic too.
Which, the fact that adults can expose themselves to anything and everything, and teenager can't is starting to get annoying. Plus, the fact that Avatar was not once mentioned thus far for the fact that the women parade around in nearly nothing for the entire two and a half hours of the movie (Hell, I'm pretty sure I saw a nipple a few times, and that half the audience probably had raging boners, my dad more than likely included.) is sort of unfair. Plus, ironically, it's a Fox film. But overall, I do think it's up to the media to quit making every character in their shows a slut/chav. And up to the parents to at least explain what's going on to the kid.
Happy Camper Wrote:But it's back to the roots of feminism and images that young girls and boys are bombarded with. This is such a tiny window, but I can understand where the woman is coming from. Now, I also understand video games. And she doesn't. And I pity her for that. Because she can't make the point she wants to and she's focusing on the wrong things.
I've always wanted a video game with a flat chested, average looking girl with problems (and not the kind that make them hotter either.) The whole sex symbol thing with girls needs to stop. I'm starting to see it with guys too. Seeing as how the girl gamer demographic is increasing.

So, I see your points, but whether this girl had a few hidden decent points or not doesn't change anything. The bullshit far outweighs it, and I still rage at the sight of her picture.

Shrug What can you do?

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Avatar was actually kind of a marvel in that regard. I think two hours into the film I leaned over to my Mom and mentioned, "Wait a second...how many boobs have we seen so far?" It was remarkable. There was such an overwhelming amount of skin in that picture bordering on nudity but it was not sexualized at all! I mean...the hair had more of a sexual focus on it than any of their bodies because of how the characters interacted so nonchalantly in such sparse clothing. It was something that made the Na'vi culture so beautiful. The same could not be said for the alien with three boobs in Total Recall. I don't know that I worried at all about the nudity in Avatar because of the nature it presented itself.

Context matters so much more than surface area of a body exposed. Think even of a woman in a swimsuit versus a woman in sexy lingerie. The context changes how acceptable it is.

It's not just girls either who get bombarded with unhealthy ideas like that their worth is sexual first, domestic second, and intellectually third. I worry about guys who get bombarded with the image that they aren't aren't allowed to be emotional and need to be macho. That they need to be power hungry and lusty.

Feminists can't concern themselves with just one gender. Take the two above examples. Is rape more likely to happen because women are portrayed as sex objects or because men are idealized as being powerful and taking ridiculous measures to get what they want while not learning how to be empathetic? That's going to hurt them and their relationships

And why do girls turn into emotionally manipulative, catty, gold diggers? Because we're taught that guys are weak in that regard and that we're tend to be disadvantaged in other areas of life so the logical way to compensate is to use the "tools nature gave us" to even the playing field by using our sex to manipulate. That can diminish our idea of self-worth and hurt our relationships, as well as drive guys insane.

People are much more content to pick out scapegoats and it's sad. Because such small things aren't really going to solve the issue.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:Watch this.
Quote:If kids have any access to even remotely mature content, then that's always going to have very bad consequences.
I... wow. It's just sad. -4 on humanity for this.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:Watch this.
Quote:If kids have any access to even remotely mature content, then that's always going to have very bad consequences.
I... wow. It's just sad. -2000 on humanity for this.
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HappyCamper:

The studies that have been done indicate merely that people that play violent games are inclined to (shock, horror) play more violent games (quantative, not qualative). America has hit a 30-year low of violent crime. A massive downward spike coincides with the release of the PS2 (coincidence, in my opinion, but interesting nonetheless). Sheltering children from this kind of thing only harms them.

Oh, and if you take the average age of the gamer into account, all this controversy is bullshit. 25-40. A lot of kids do play games, yes, but not as many as adults.

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She can think whatever she wants about video games, but the way she talked to the game expert was unbelievable. I have never seen anyone act so blatantly condescending and disrespectful in an interview over such a trivial issue.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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Rebelnerd Wrote:She can think whatever she wants about video games, but the way she talked to the game expert was unbelievable. I have never seen anyone act so blatantly condescending and disrespectful in an interview over such a trivial issue.
Sad, isn't it? That pose she has in her book is pretty mature. Maybe we need to ban it from children's homes.

Oh an here's the reviews from Amazon. They're lulzy as all hell.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:Oh an here's the reviews from Amazon. They're lulzy as all hell.
Wow, 3 five-stars and 98 one-stars. Maybe there's hope after all.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:Oh an here's the reviews from Amazon. They're lulzy as all hell.
Wow, 3 five-stars and 98 one-stars. Maybe there's hope after all.

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Quote:In this day and age, you cannot regulate what your children are reading. So I was shocked and disturbed to find out that this book has pictures of full frontal nudity and sex. This filth should be banned. Mind you, I have not read this book but it's what a friend told me it contained, moments before coming on here.
Actually, there were a whole lot more one star reviews, but apparently Amazon got rid of a lot of them (Most of which that were deleted were the lulzy "Sex"box parody reviews.

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