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Nah
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DET filter
I sent this email to the DET (Department of Education and Training):
Quote:I am writing to request more information on the DET internet filter. More specifically, the reasons why certain websites are blocked. For example, http://www.school-survival.net is blocked with the catagory "Blocked sites for school students". This is not included in the list of catagories for blocked websites I found at http://sts.sydneyr.det.nsw.edu.au/files ... tering.pdf, and nor does it contain any content that would fit into these catagories. Please elaborate on the reasons for filtering this site, and others like it.
- Jon
And got this response:
Quote:Dear Jon
Thank you for your enquiry about the Department's internet browsing service.
The website you are enquiring about: http://www.school-survival.net is currently in the DET Custom Filter Category "Blocked sites for school students". The placement of a website into this category can occur when teachers express concern about potentially objectionable content on a website.
This website is also categorised as "Newsgroups/Forums". This is a blocked category for school students, due to the personal and unpredictable nature of the content.
You can access the current information on website filtering at this website:
Filtering information here: https://detwww.det.nsw.edu.au/it/learns ... _index.htm
Thank you again for your enquiry
XXXX XXXXX
Manager
Web Filter Unit
Information Technology Directorate
Australian Technology Park
Level 2, 1 Central Ave, Eveleigh NSW, 1430
9244 0231
NSW Department of Education and Training
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The Desert Fox
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Quote:The placement of a website into this category can occur when teachers express concern about potentially objectionable content on a website.
Ask them why it's oh-so-terrible.
Quote:This website is also categorised as "Newsgroups/Forums". This is a blocked category for school students, due to the personal and unpredictable nature of the content.
Anyone with an IQ above eighty should realize that they shouldn't post personal info on a forum like this out for the world to see, and "unpredictable nature"? So just because we allow free speech on our forums it's bad?
Also, I'd take out your last name in the letter if I was you, Jonno.
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Nah
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Re: DET filter
They block forums because they can't regulate the content on them, and don't have any influence over the people that do. Until this problem is solved, there isn't much point in arguing with them. However, maybe more people sending emails and complaining, as well as doing the survey I posted before, could influence their opinion about computer based schooling?
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The Desert Fox
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Jonno Wrote:They block forums because they can't regulate the content on them, and don't have any influence over the people that do.
I fail to see how this is a problem.
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Nah
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Their thinking is that we shouldn't be exposed to anything even minimally unacceptable to peoples grandparents. For example, anything about weapons is blocked, and so is anything referring to the Holocaust. If you understand how ruthless they are at censoring everything, then its no wonder that forums would be blocked.
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03-19-2010 02:52 PM |
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The Desert Fox
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Jonno Wrote:Their thinking is that we shouldn't be exposed to anything even minimally unacceptable to peoples grandparents. For example, anything about weapons is blocked, and so is anything referring to the Holocaust. If you understand how ruthless they are at censoring everything, then its no wonder that forums would be blocked.
Oh I do understand how pathetic the internet censoring is in Ausfailia. Just to censor the internet for a whole nation is complete bogus.
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Damn I remember the DET filter used to block google images and wikipedia, but I think they removed the block on those later
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I am never going to Australia unless it is to protest, or I'm just going sightseeing for a few days. At least until they fix themselves.
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A partial solution to this is to create a variant of School Survival that is like a brochure/info site, and which is also spun in a bit more teacher/parent-friendly style. I think this could serve a lot of purposes.
I think SoulRiser started on something like this, but I forgot the URL...
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The Desert Fox
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Absentinsomniac Wrote:I am never going to Australia unless it is to protest, or I'm just going sightseeing for a few days. At least until they fix themselves.
Fucking this.
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Quote:I think SoulRiser started on something like this, but I forgot the URL...
Do you mean www.alteducationhome.com? Because that's really kinda a half-assed site atm.
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Rofl, our filter blocks everything. Except 'HOLY FUCKING TREES WITH DICKS'. Seriously. And pretty much all the 4chan threads. They block everything that most people would find funny, and then leave things they'd find offensive unblocked.
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Jonno Wrote:Their thinking is that we shouldn't be exposed to anything even minimally unacceptable to peoples grandparents. For example, anything about weapons is blocked, and so is anything referring to the Holocaust. If you understand how ruthless they are at censoring everything, then its no wonder that forums would be blocked.
why do they block shit about the holocaust? well I think we know were all the nazi's went once germany was defeated lol.
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Blood Demon Wrote:Jonno Wrote:Their thinking is that we shouldn't be exposed to anything even minimally unacceptable to peoples grandparents. For example, anything about weapons is blocked, and so is anything referring to the Holocaust. If you understand how ruthless they are at censoring everything, then its no wonder that forums would be blocked.
why do they block shit about the holocaust? well I think we know were all the nazi's went once germany was defeated lol.
Maybe there's someone who figures if it's blocked, maybe it didn't happen....
Worst case scenario.
But if it's something you can learn about in school, would't you want to know more, anyway.
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McGee! Wrote:But if it's something you can learn about in school, would't you want to know more, anyway.
do you mean why would you want to know more,or wouldn't you want to know more?
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L3rn to make sense, McGee.
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