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Quote:Senators Want To Put People In Jail For Embedding YouTube Videos
from the not-understanding-the-technology dept

Okay, this is just getting ridiculous. A few weeks back, we noted that Senators Amy Klobuchar, John Cornyn and Christopher Coons had proposed a new bill that was designed to make "streaming" infringing material a felony. At the time, the actual text of the bill wasn't available, but we assumed, naturally, that it would just extend "public performance" rights to section 506a of the Copyright Act.

Supporters of this bill claim that all it's really doing is harmonizing US copyright law's civil and criminal sections. After all, the rights afforded under copyright law in civil cases cover a list of rights: reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works or perform the work. The rules for criminal infringement only cover reproducing and distributing -- but not performing. So, supporters claim, all this does is "harmonize" copyright law and bring the criminal side into line with the civil side by adding "performance rights" to the list of things.

If only it were that simple. But, of course, it's not. First of all, despite claims to the contrary, there's a damn good reason why Congress did not include performance rights as a criminal/felony issue: because who would have thought that it would be a criminal act to perform a work without permission? It could be infringing, but that can be covered by a fine. When we suddenly criminalize a performance, that raises all sorts of questionable issues.

Furthermore, as we suspected, in the full text of the bill, "performance" is not clearly defined. This is the really troubling part. Everyone keeps insisting that this is targeted towards "streaming" websites, but is streaming a "performance"? If so, how does embedding play into this? Is the site that hosts the content guilty of performing? What about the site that merely linked to and/or embedded the video (linking and embedding are technically effectively the same thing). Without clear definitions, we run into problems pretty quickly.

And it gets worse. Because rather than just (pointlessly) adding "performance" to the list, the bill tries to also define what constitutes a potential felony crime in these circumstances:

the offense consists of 10 or more public performances by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copyrighted works

So yeah. If you embed a YouTube video that turns out to be infringing, and more than 10 people view it because of your link... you could be facing five years in jail. This is, of course, ridiculous, and suggests (yet again) politicians who are regulating a technology they simply do not understand. Should it really be a criminal act to embed a YouTube video, even if you don't know it was infringing...? This could create a massive chilling effect to the very useful service YouTube provides in letting people embed videos.

Bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... l=s112-978

Source: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201106 ... deos.shtml

Seriously these fuckers want to put people in prison now for this crap and this bill now even has a darker side. People will not be able to stream gameplay from their video games anymore either or stream anything without express permission and consent from the owners.
Man I know this bills gonna pass quietly as this sounds just like another corporate scheme.

I tell ya everyday the country makes it so obvious who's dicks they suck for cash.

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Also this.

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/7152523035/bill-s-978

Well, the solution is simple.

Create a EuroTube. On PRQ.

Let go of all desire for the common good, and the good becomes common as grass.

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Sometimes I'm glad I don't live in America.

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The jails are gonna get so crowded with "infringers" (and they're already pretty full of drug users who usually harm no one but themselves) that there'll be no room for the real criminals.

Go to work. Send your kids to school. Follow fashion. Act normal. Walk on the pavement. Watch TV. Save for your old age. Obey the law. Repeat after me: "I am free."

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.Manicrose. Wrote:The jails are gonna get so crowded with "infringers" (and they're already pretty full of drug users who usually harm no one but themselves) that there'll be no room for the real criminals.

Yeah but the prison system makes them so much money the government must literally be creaming themselves anyway.

Elfy: don't worry man.
Eventually this law will come your way to if its passed.

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Usually crap like this doesn't pass.

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Soon everyone's going to be in prison and the government is going to be laughing their asses of while we consume their feces.
Viva la revolution?

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Weswammy Wrote:Usually crap like this doesn't pass.

When that passed that bill to treat corporations like people I now just believe they'll pass anything.

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HeartofShadows Wrote:
Weswammy Wrote:Usually crap like this doesn't pass.

When that passed that bill to treat corporations like people I now just believe they'll pass anything.
A corporation owns Youtube. This probably won't pass.

And corporations are artificial "people" in order to facilitate ease of business. I can't say that corporations don't deserve the same freedoms people enjoy, seeing as corporations are run by people.

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Weswammy Wrote:
HeartofShadows Wrote:
Weswammy Wrote:Usually crap like this doesn't pass.

When that passed that bill to treat corporations like people I now just believe they'll pass anything.
A corporation owns Youtube. This probably won't pass.

And corporations are artificial "people" in order to facilitate ease of business. I can't say that corporations don't deserve the same freedoms people enjoy, seeing as corporations are run by people.

If you've seen South Park, you'll realize that big corporations are not run but anyone, the corporation is a living abomination! The people that run these corporations though are powerful, even as powerful as the government, depending on how high you go. So yes they are "just people" but Hitler was just a person. All the evil today was made by man.

AND YOUTUBE CAN KISS MY ASS. They ban videos for "copyright violation" and kiss the assess of these corporations that complain..."OH LOOK THIS HAS 20 SECONDS OF THIS GUYS SONG ON IT EVEN THOUGH HE GAVE CREDIT TO THE CREATOR, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLCAWPYRITE"

I would move to another video site, but it won't be as popular, and even if it got popular, it'd turn out like YT.

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The way to win at politics is to go after the big money and get them on your side. Because once big daddy corporation says they want this the politicians are like yes master.
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Comrade Wrote:The way to win at politics is to go after the big money and get them on your side. Because once big daddy corporation says they want this the politicians are like yes master.
I've always thought it was more of an equal partnership myself.

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