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Why do the rabid anti-communists always assume that we want everyone to be absolutely, oppressively, 100% equal in all ways? Even Marx had no problem with some people having more possessions than others; he was more concerned with who controlled the means of production. They're the ones who hold the true power, not the consumers, and the difference in power between a guy who owns two cars and a guy who owns one is negligible. It's about the ultra-rich minority vs. the ultra-poor majority. Why is such a difficult idea for capitalists to comprehend?
I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins. The quickest way to kill a revolution is to wait for it.
1. Democracy turned government into a competition. Who can get the most voters? What's the competition (the other party/ies) doing to get more voters? What can we say that'll get the most voters? How can we follow through enough so we weren't lying, but still not follow through all the way? Hence, politicsbullshit.
2. Capitalism and having free market (meaning free trade in terms chosen by those trading, not an outside force) are different. They aren't synonyms. One's a form of government/a way government rules society, and the other is an economical practice. (which is, usually incorrectly, assumed to be part of that form of government.)
3. Parties are part of the problem. I'm identifying more and more with the ideas of anarchism, but if they created an anarchist party, I would not join it. And since anarchism is not supported by our government in laws or legislation, I would vote according to what would be as responsible a choice I could think of, through using logic the best I could. But really, who's smart enough to make that decision? (the problem with democracy, right there.) And I'm never gonna vote for officers, because they're all politiciansbullshitters.
4. The whole right-left thing is actually a circle- it all ends with our freedoms taken away, on both sides, in my opinions. (inb4 "You have no rights!" George Carlin speech) And the Republican and Democratic parties are not right/left, they switch on a number of occasions and aren't really fighting for ideas, but for power. I think that whatever party isn't in power always seems more protective of civil rights (Oceania, Eastasia, Eurasia, anyone?) - which, of course is just another lie to get more voters. And proof that power corrupts.
5. If people would stop using the government as a crutch and start living independently and start supporting themselves and being responsible, (really responsible, not this 'pay-your-taxes, send-your-kid-to-school, Bid-Brother-loves-you thing' the government keeps throwing at us) Anarchism would work. If all government today just vanished, people would freak out and all hell'd break loose. After a while, people would just set up another government in its place. Hopefully they wouldn't, people would recognize the bullshit they'd been living through and under, and would start living where they could respect each other and themselves, and have basic morals to agree on so that they could live their lives as they wanted while still being able to stop anything horrible going on...
6. If people would just take control over their lives and start living the way they wanted to instead of taking the government/corporations for granted and thinking that they were given life to sit around and get fat, then a lot of our problems would be solved. If we could respect each other, even when we disagree, we would have a much better world. If it wouldn't be a new experience to hug a stranger, if we stopped eating fast food and feeding the power hungry idiots in our government and economy....
It's sad that that's such a far off dream.
This, I can't find anything wrong with anything you've said here. It's almost exactly my opinion.
1. Democracy turned government into a competition. Who can get the most voters? What's the competition (the other party/ies) doing to get more voters? What can we say that'll get the most voters? How can we follow through enough so we weren't lying, but still not follow through all the way? Hence, politicsbullshit.
2. Capitalism and having free market (meaning free trade in terms chosen by those trading, not an outside force) are different. They aren't synonyms. One's a form of government/a way government rules society, and the other is an economical practice. (which is, usually incorrectly, assumed to be part of that form of government.)
3. Parties are part of the problem. I'm identifying more and more with the ideas of anarchism, but if they created an anarchist party, I would not join it. And since anarchism is not supported by our government in laws or legislation, I would vote according to what would be as responsible a choice I could think of, through using logic the best I could. But really, who's smart enough to make that decision? (the problem with democracy, right there.) And I'm never gonna vote for officers, because they're all politiciansbullshitters.
4. The whole right-left thing is actually a circle- it all ends with our freedoms taken away, on both sides, in my opinions. (inb4 "You have no rights!" George Carlin speech) And the Republican and Democratic parties are not right/left, they switch on a number of occasions and aren't really fighting for ideas, but for power. I think that whatever party isn't in power always seems more protective of civil rights (Oceania, Eastasia, Eurasia, anyone?) - which, of course is just another lie to get more voters. And proof that power corrupts.
5. If people would stop using the government as a crutch and start living independently and start supporting themselves and being responsible, (really responsible, not this 'pay-your-taxes, send-your-kid-to-school, Bid-Brother-loves-you thing' the government keeps throwing at us) Anarchism would work. If all government today just vanished, people would freak out and all hell'd break loose. After a while, people would just set up another government in its place. Hopefully they wouldn't, people would recognize the bullshit they'd been living through and under, and would start living where they could respect each other and themselves, and have basic morals to agree on so that they could live their lives as they wanted while still being able to stop anything horrible going on...
6. If people would just take control over their lives and start living the way they wanted to instead of taking the government/corporations for granted and thinking that they were given life to sit around and get fat, then a lot of our problems would be solved. If we could respect each other, even when we disagree, we would have a much better world. If it wouldn't be a new experience to hug a stranger, if we stopped eating fast food and feeding the power hungry idiots in our government and economy....
It's sad that that's such a far off dream.
This, I can't find anything wrong with anything you've said here. It's almost exactly my opinion.
Almost same as lunatic.
Back in the day we had more disease widespread and less supply but back in the day people were much more capable. Kids knew how to skin animals and cook them themselves without losing vitamins in the meat and they also knew how to prepare water to make it drinkable(Seriously I meet people who don't even know that), People could also build their own places.
Guessing parents were much more capable than now as they taught kids things to survive and not to kiss the governments ass for everything.
As for the anarchist dream you're correct as if the society fell today people would just instinctively cling to what they know and try to reform a government with the same problem, sure there will be some smart enough to understand that the old world had problems and they can do better but the majority out ways the minority and then I would see some conflict happen because different groups want to do things their way and want everybody to follow them and then after that the survivors who were smart enough to stay away from the conflict and survive will shape things their way.
The Desert Fox Wrote:Political systems aren't about money, they're about sending a message.
If you mean political ideals and systems don't equal economic ideals and systems, I agree.
An it Harm None, Do What Ye Will
An it Harm, Do Only What Ye Must
Lighten up! This life was made for experimenting, making mistakes, falling on our faces, and standing up to do it all over again.
Live for Learning.
Carla Franklin may be a whore. She may be a wonderful, kind, moral woman. Seeing as I don't know her personally, I cannot know for sure. However, I find her actions (suing Google, requesting the personal info of her critics, getting angry over random internet idiocy that she should ignore and be bigger than, trying to get this site in trouble because of a few users' commentary on the situation, etc.) pretty ridiculous and unwarranted. If she didn't want people to to be talking about/judging her, well 1. that's impossible, she's a human, and 2. she shouldn't have been a model or agreed to be on film. AND 3. she DEFINITELY shouldn't have sued Google and made all this fuss over a few random idiots whom she probably won't ever know expressing their opinion. Mmkay? MMKAY.
Rebelnerd Wrote:You honestly don't believe that the infamous top 1% who control more than half the world's wealth aren't more powerful than the poor? Get a grip, dude. Saying that they have tremendous influence over global politics isn't even controversial anymore.
Then explain yourself, sir. HOW do rich people have more power?
Sure, I make more money than others. But I still have the same "rights" as everyone else. I can still be arrested, jailed, and taxed.
Besides, I'm an Employee. That means I work for Employers. As in, I'm in the working class. I'm being oppressed. Surely your Anarcho-communism agrees about that. I'm not getting any free rides.
Hidden stuff:
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
Rebelnerd Wrote:You honestly don't believe that the infamous top 1% who control more than half the world's wealth aren't more powerful than the poor? Get a grip, dude. Saying that they have tremendous influence over global politics isn't even controversial anymore.
Then explain yourself, sir. HOW do rich people have more power?
Sure, I make more money than others. But I still have the same "rights" as everyone else. I can still be arrested, jailed, and taxed.
Besides, I'm an Employee. That means I work for Employers. As in, I'm in the working class. I'm being oppressed. Surely your Anarcho-communism agrees about that. I'm not getting any free rides.
True I gotta give rebelnerd the more leeway.
With money you can manipulate rights and in a way avoid being arrested and jailed and taxed.
Also rebelnerd doesn't mean you in his crusade.
He means the 1 to 10 percent or something that actually hold power(Forgot most of the sermon)
Rebelnerd Wrote:You honestly don't believe that the infamous top 1% who control more than half the world's wealth aren't more powerful than the poor? Get a grip, dude. Saying that they have tremendous influence over global politics isn't even controversial anymore.
Then explain yourself, sir. HOW do rich people have more power?
Sure, I make more money than others. But I still have the same "rights" as everyone else. I can still be arrested, jailed, and taxed.
Besides, I'm an Employee. That means I work for Employers. As in, I'm in the working class. I'm being oppressed. Surely your Anarcho-communism agrees about that. I'm not getting any free rides.
Capital is power.
Who do you honestly think has more power: Average Joe or Capitalist Bill? Average Joe works minimum wage and works for Capitalist Bill, who oversees thousands of others who work for minimum wage.
"I heard a joke once. Man goes to doctor says "I'm terribly depressed". Doctor says "I know just what you should do. Poliacci the clown is in town, go see him, you'll be cheered right up." The man bursts into tears. "But Doctor, I am Poliacci." Funny joke. Roll on snare drum. Everyone laugh."
Rebelnerd Wrote:You honestly don't believe that the infamous top 1% who control more than half the world's wealth aren't more powerful than the poor? Get a grip, dude. Saying that they have tremendous influence over global politics isn't even controversial anymore.
Then explain yourself, sir. HOW do rich people have more power?
Sure, I make more money than others. But I still have the same "rights" as everyone else. I can still be arrested, jailed, and taxed.
Besides, I'm an Employee. That means I work for Employers. As in, I'm in the working class. I'm being oppressed. Surely your Anarcho-communism agrees about that. I'm not getting any free rides.
True I gotta give rebelnerd the more leeway.
With money you can manipulate rights and in a way avoid being arrested and jailed and taxed.
Also rebelnerd doesn't mean you in his crusade.
He means the 1 to 10 percent or something that actually hold power(Forgot most of the sermon)
Yeah, but that would be morally up to the person, that would be the person making corruption, not the money. Although, it may be a moot point...the law is stupid anyway, and its in alot of people's interests to go against it.
But what I mean is: how could money be used to gain advantage over regular people?
I think rebelnerd hates me.
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
Dude, if everyone here who had different political views in one way or another hated each other, than everyone would hate everyone.
Oh ok.
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
Dude, I don't hate you. I just happen to think that capitalism is the greatest scam in human history.
I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins. The quickest way to kill a revolution is to wait for it.
Rebelnerd Wrote:Dude, I don't hate you. I just happen to think that capitalism is the greatest scam in human history.
And I agree with you. I was simply stating that people with more money have the same rights as those with less. Although money altogether is a bad thing.
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
I am most defiantly an Individualist Anarchist, While I like the idea of people fighting for the good of a collective group (Also why I share some Communist beliefs) thats the kind of shit that leads to a governmental power, No matter how benevolent and good meaning it may start off as there is always room for corruption. The United States is a prime example of that.
Thought Criminal Wrote:I am most defiantly an Individualist Anarchist, While I like the idea of people fighting for the good of a collective group (Also why I share some Communist beliefs) thats the kind of shit that leads to a governmental power, No matter how benevolent and good meaning it may start off as there is always room for corruption. The United States is a prime example of that.
Yeah same here.
I like some of communism and socialisms ideas and in a way I like them better than capitalism(least in communism I don't have to worry about not having a job or a place to live) but in the end it just switches big business for the government.
Not to mention its stupid to have our stability depend on businesses which prime goal is to make money at any cost.
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