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Belgium bans wearing of Burqa

Quote:BELGIUM became Europe's first country to vote for a ban on the full Islamic veil or burqa, sparking dismay today among Muslims and warnings of a dangerous precedent with France set to follow suit. The bill, which also drew fire from human rights group Amnesty International, will not enter force for weeks and may have to be re-examined if early elections are called as Belgium battles a political crisis.

"We're the first country to spring the locks that have made a good number of women slaves, and we hope to be followed by France, Switzerland, Italy, and the Netherlands; countries that think,'' said liberal deputy Denis Ducarme. In the lower house of the federal parliament yesterday, 136 deputies supported a nationwide ban on clothes or veils that do not allow the wearer to be fully identified, including the full-face niqab and burqa. There were two abstentions. No one voted against.

The ban will be imposed in streets, public gardens and sports grounds or buildings "meant for public use or to provide services'' to the public, according to the text of the bill. Exceptions could be allowed for certain festivities like carnivals if municipal authorities decide to grant them. People who ignore it could face a fine of 15-25 euros and/or a jail sentence of up to seven days.

All governing parties and the opposition agreed on the move - most for security reasons linked to the fact that people cannot be recognised while wearing the clothing. The upper house of parliament has two weeks to raise any objections, but with early elections likely to be called, legal experts are debating whether the whole package would have to pass through a new assembly.

"Belgium now joins Iran and Saudi Arabia in that exclusive but unenviable rare club of countries to impose a dress code in the public domain," Michael Privot, an Islamic scholar, said in the Le Soir newspaper. He said the three cite: "the protection of dignity, or even the freedom, of women to justify the unjustifiable: the restriction of individual freedoms of some of our citizens.''

The vice-president of the Muslim Executive of Belgium, Isabelle Praile, warned the vote could set a dangerous precedent and feared it could pave the way for a later crackdown against other symbols of religious expression such as Sikh turbans. "Given the acute crisis which our government is facing, this move to kill our liberties, which will deprive dozens of women of their fundamental rights, is totally over the top and driven by ideology,'' she said.

Amnesty called on the upper house to review the legislation, adding it believed the move was in breach of Belgium's obligations under international human rights law.

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50,000 points to Belgium!

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Fuck me dead, why do people have to go from one extreme to the other? Banning that is just as bad as forcing religion(or almost as bad).

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If one extreme is to be forced, I would rather it be the liberal one.

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Faby Wrote:If one extreme is to be forced, I would rather it be the liberal one.

Yes but the funny thing here is that these European countries are secular already, they were fine in this sense before this happened.

There wasn't a "choice" between the two options.
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Secular, yet filled to bursting with Islames.

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Seems like the wrong way to go about it. Why the hell would any-one choose to wear one of those?

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In Islam, women are treated like cattle. It's disgusting.
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XplodingNoggin Wrote:In Islam, women are treated like cattle. It's disgusting.
In radical Islam, women are treated like cattle. Will people PLEASE stop lumping all Muslims into one category. Throughout most of history the Muslim world was a hell of a lot more progressive than Europe. The shitstorm in the Middle East is a relatively recent development.
And banning religious dress is just as wrong as forcing it, no matter what we may feel about the specific example.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:And banning religious dress is just as wrong as forcing it, no matter what we may feel about the specific example.

Just as it is wrong to ban guns or nuclear weapons?

Inb4 slippery slope. Or whatever you fancy logical debaters call it nowadays.

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Can't wait til the countries see unmarried young sex as irresponsible and ban it until you 21 and married.

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psychopath Wrote:
Faby Wrote:If one extreme is to be forced, I would rather it be the liberal one.

Yes but the funny thing here is that these European countries are secular already, they were fine in this sense before this happened.

There wasn't a "choice" between the two options.

I agree, replacing one extreme with another isn't any better, even if its intention is to protect women from being treated like crap. People should still be free to follow whatever religion they choose.
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HeartofShadows Wrote:Can't wait til the countries see unmarried young sex as irresponsible and ban it until you 21 and married.
I fail to see how would this be enforced.



Also, why not ban forcing people to wear these?

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Ceiling Cat Wrote:
HeartofShadows Wrote:Can't wait til the countries see unmarried young sex as irresponsible and ban it until you 21 and married.
I fail to see how would this be enforced.



Also, why not ban forcing people to wear these?

This is bout as stupid as alot of the shit they are passing.

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I really don't like this idea - a burqa is a form of religious expression, and to not allow people to wear it is to deny someone their human rights. It's also actually quite racist/anti-Islamic to ban them on the grounds of security reasons... it's not like they've banned people wearing balaclavas on their heads.

If someone wishes to wear a burqa, let them - it's their right.

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Hanny Wrote:I really don't like this idea - a burqa is a form of religious expression, and to not allow people to wear it is to deny someone their human rights. It's also actually quite racist/anti-Islamic to ban them on the grounds of security reasons... it's not like they've banned people wearing balaclavas on their heads.

If someone wishes to wear a burqa, let them - it's their right.

That's because if someone wears a balaclava in broad daylight, they're not only easily identifiable by police and civillians but, due to the large amount of robberies every day, likely to be tackled on sight.

Quote: "Given the acute crisis which our government is facing, this move to kill our liberties, which will deprive dozens of women of their fundamental rights, is totally over the top and driven by ideology,''

Does anyone else see the abundant irony in this statement? I for one, think they did the right thing. The burqa is a shitty idea. It also allows more cover than the aforementioned balaclava.

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Hanny Wrote:I really don't like this idea - a burqa is a form of religious expression, and to not allow people to wear it is to deny someone their human rights. It's also actually quite racist/anti-Islamic to ban them on the grounds of security reasons... it's not like they've banned people wearing balaclavas on their heads.

If someone wishes to wear a burqa, let them - it's their right.

What about all the women who are forced to wear a burqa against their will?
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Since when are women forced to wear a burqa in Belgium? I think you're confusing Europe with Afghanistan.

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XplodingNoggin Wrote:In Islam, women are treated like cattle. It's disgusting.
Words can't describe your ignorance.

I took a history course that focuses on the Middle East and the Middle East only, and I can say, with confidence, that you're completely wrong.
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whatever, but i know the commander because hes my pal
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XplodingNoggin Wrote:In Islam, women are treated like cattle. It's disgusting.
Words can't describe your ignorance.

I took a history course that focuses on the Middle East and the Middle East only, and I can say, with confidence, that you're completely wrong.
This. Muslim women were founding universities back when European women were getting burned at the stake for having Godless heathen boobs.

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It's just as bad to ban them as it is to force them to wear it. If women choose to wear them (and I'm sure some of them do) then they should be able too. Outright banning them may solve one problem, but it creates an entirely new one.

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lolno rebelnerd, muslims break into your house and steal your money for cocaine

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Gotta agree with everybody else here.

Doesn't matter what the law promises to protect or prevent.
If it interferes with the freedoms of anybody else then its wrong by default.

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Hanny Wrote:If someone wishes to wear a burqa, let them - it's their right.

Cool, if I ever rob a bank I'll wear one and then trick the police into chasing some head-chopping Muslim lady.

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Liquid Wrote:
Hanny Wrote:If someone wishes to wear a burqa, let them - it's their right.

Cool, if I ever rob a bank I'll wear one and then trick the police into chasing some head-chopping Muslim lady.

Feel free too.

Police already profile people enough anyway.

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Fun fact: the 7/11 bombers tried to flee the country dressed in Burqas.
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XplodingNoggin Wrote:Fun fact: the 7/11 bombers tried to flee the country dressed in Burqas.

OMG U RACIST PIG GO FUCK URSELF!

That fun fact made me lol a little. Is that bad?
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So lets ban Halloween because criminals can use it as an excuse to wear masks. Let's ban scarves too, because they can put them over their faces. Shit, why not ban beards too? You can commit a crime with one and then shave it to confuse the police.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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