Atheist

[thewake]

Comrade Wrote:

Weswammy Wrote:So... What conclusions have you geniuses come to?

You're a nigger.

[ErisQuodSum]

You're some bullshit religion like Buddhism.

[thewake]

ErisQuodSum Wrote:You're some bullshit religion like Buddhism.

Thank you Einstein.

[SoulRiser]

Why does it always have to be one or the other extreme? Christian -> Atheist. There are like sooo many levels of ambiguity inbetween. I don't believe in religion, but I seriously think there's some kind of supernatural spiritual stuff going on out there. Might even be something you could call a "God" if you wanted. Maybe that's what all the religions are based on anyway.

[Absnt]

Revivals are fucking weird. I went to one this one time, and mother fuckers were saying they were seeing shit on the walls, and people were yelling at each other, and all kinds of other African voodoo shit. I'm never getting near another one of those, ever again.

[gore goroth]

I don't know if atheism is THE TRUTH, but it seems to be the most logical and beleiveable. I think lots of people on this site as well fairly non-religious.

[.Manicrose.]

SoulRiser Wrote:I don't believe in religion, but I seriously think there's some kind of supernatural spiritual stuff going on out there.

Like what? What makes you think that?

[thewake]

SoulRiser Wrote:Why does it always have to be one or the other extreme? Christian -> Atheist. There are like sooo many levels of ambiguity inbetween. I don't believe in religion, but I seriously think there's some kind of supernatural spiritual stuff going on out there. Might even be something you could call a "God" if you wanted. Maybe that's what all the religions are based on anyway.

Well, I cannot conclusively say there is no God because the nature of it is that the idea of God is untestable. But if I had to bet all my money, or even my life, I would say there isn't one.
Thus, I consider myself an Atheist. It's my best guess.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:Like what? What makes you think that?

All kinds of stuff that's happened to me. Like knowing what's going to happen next, and actually being right. Like being depressed about something for a long long time, and then when I finally work up the guts to take one small step and attempt to do one small thing to fix it, it suddenly and miraculously fixes itself. All of these things and similar weird shit has happened so many times I can't write it off as coincidence anymore. I also think this doesn't happen to everyone, because a lot of people just aren't open to shit like that, therefore it won't happen to them... or if it does, it happens rarely enough that they can just write it off as pure chance. Yeah, this probably sounds insane from a logic standpoint. Whatever. Life is weird.

[thewake]

SoulRiser Wrote:

Quote:Like what? What makes you think that?

All kinds of stuff that's happened to me. Like knowing what's going to happen next, and actually being right. Like being depressed about something for a long long time, and then when I finally work up the guts to take one small step and attempt to do one small thing to fix it, it suddenly and miraculously fixes itself. All of these things and similar weird shit has happened so many times I can't write it off as coincidence anymore. I also think this doesn't happen to everyone, because a lot of people just aren't open to shit like that, therefore it won't happen to them... or if it does, it happens rarely enough that they can just write it off as pure chance. Yeah, this probably sounds insane from a logic standpoint. Whatever. Life is weird.

Confirmation bias.

[SoulRiser]

Just like everything else in life.

EDIT: How is that really any different from you being an atheist, or your family being christian? People will believe whatever they want and then they'll find supporting evidence for it... or find a lack of supporting evidence if that's what they need to stop believing something they don't want to believe deep down.

So maybe everything is true, and everyone is right. We can't prove it. So why the hell not? Would sure make life more interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_reality

[thewake]

SoulRiser Wrote:Just like everything else in life.

EDIT: How is that really any different from you being an atheist, or your family being christian? People will believe whatever they want and then they'll find supporting evidence for it... or find a lack of supporting evidence if that's what they need to stop believing something they don't want to believe deep down.

I have no evidence to disprove God, but I have no evidence to prove that there isn't a tea cup on the surface of a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri either.
See what I'm getting at?

And if people want to believe, fine by me. Heck, I want to believe. But I also want proof, something to justify belief that isn't just some feeling I can attribute to my nerves or irrationality.

Quote:So maybe everything is true, and everyone is right. We can't prove it. So why the hell not? Would sure make life more interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_reality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity...bjectivism

For the record, I believe people can perceive reality differently, but there is an objective reality outside of us. People who do not perceive things close enough to reality can't function right, like schizophrenics.

[SoulRiser]

What if the objective reality is that reality is actually subjective? xD


Yeah, I'm weird. I find 'cold hard facts' terribly boring. I'm much more interested in exploring other possibilities, even ludicrous ones. Makes life a lot more interesting. I don't really care what anyone else believes, but I'm gonna treat life like a giant RPG game, maybe a bit like the Matrix in a sense, where anything is possible if you can just figure out how to do it.

I mean, it's not like life is permanent or anything.

[thewake]

I find there are numerous possibilities in reality without wondering about things I ultimately cannot know.

[Miller0700]

Weswammy Wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity...bjectivism

For the record, I believe people can perceive reality differently, but there is an objective reality outside of us. People who do not perceive things close enough to reality can't function right, like schizophrenics.

I don't think people can perceive reality differently, in my opinion. Rather, people are led to believe "something is out there, something beyond this universe" because it fills that lack of understanding of the universe. I also believe they perceive different reality based on fallacies and biases.

[Efs]

All I know is that I know nothing.

[Miller0700]

Efstratios Prime Wrote:All I know is that I know nothing.

[UnschoolShqiponjë]

Efstratios Prime Wrote:All I know is that I know nothing.

That's not true though.

[thewake]

UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:

Efstratios Prime Wrote:All I know is that I know nothing.

That's not true though.

I don't know that.

[Miller0700]

UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:

Efstratios Prime Wrote:All I know is that I know nothing.

That's not true though.

Everything we know contains some mistake in it. Hell, we could be wrong about everything we know.

Quote:In reality, there is no such thing as “absolute truth”. Everything within the capacity of human understanding contains a degree of error, and everything men know to be true is only true to a degree. Everyone is inevitably wrong about something somewhere. We don’t know everything about everything. We don’t know everything about anything! And what we do know, we don’t know accurately on all points nor completely in every detail. Honest men admit this.

[thewake]

Derchin Wrote:

Quote:In reality, there is no such thing as “absolute truth”. Everything within the capacity of human understanding contains a degree of error, and everything men know to be true is only true to a degree. Everyone is inevitably wrong about something somewhere. We don’t know everything about everything. We don’t know everything about anything! And what we do know, we don’t know accurately on all points nor completely in every detail. Honest men admit this.

You don't know that.

[Miller0700]

Weswammy Wrote:

Derchin Wrote:

Quote:In reality, there is no such thing as “absolute truth”. Everything within the capacity of human understanding contains a degree of error, and everything men know to be true is only true to a degree. Everyone is inevitably wrong about something somewhere. We don’t know everything about everything. We don’t know everything about anything! And what we do know, we don’t know accurately on all points nor completely in every detail. Honest men admit this.

You don't know that.

See?

[thewake]

Derchin Wrote:

Weswammy Wrote:

Derchin Wrote:In reality, there is no such thing as “absolute truth”. Everything within the capacity of human understanding contains a degree of error, and everything men know to be true is only true to a degree. Everyone is inevitably wrong about something somewhere. We don’t know everything about everything. We don’t know everything about anything! And what we do know, we don’t know accurately on all points nor completely in every detail. Honest men admit this.

You don't know that.

See?

There is a paradox in the statement because, if we agree that there is no such thing as absolute truth, then stating that there is no such thing as absolute truth violates itself.

Thus, I believe in absolute truth.

[Miller0700]

Weswammy Wrote:There is a paradox in the statement because, if we agree that there is no such thing as absolute truth, then stating that there is no such thing as absolute truth violates itself.

Thus, I believe in absolute truth.

He should've rather said our discoveries and results aren't 100% correct.

[thewake]

Derchin Wrote:

Weswammy Wrote:There is a paradox in the statement because, if we agree that there is no such thing as absolute truth, then stating that there is no such thing as absolute truth violates itself.

Thus, I believe in absolute truth.

He should've rather said our discoveries and results aren't 100% correct.

But if that is so, then the theory that our discoveries and results aren't 100% correct is incorrect. Therefore, there will be exceptions to the rule and there will be 100% correct pieces of knowledge.

[Miller0700]

Weswammy Wrote:But if that is so, then the theory that our discoveries and results aren't 100% correct is incorrect.

Where do you base this off of.
It's true. Everything we know contains a degree of error.

Weswammy Wrote:Therefore, there will be exceptions to the rule and there will be 100% correct pieces of knowledge.

How come?

[thewake]

Derchin Wrote:

Weswammy Wrote:But if that is so, then the theory that our discoveries and results aren't 100% correct is incorrect.

Where do you base this off of.
It's true. Everything we know contains a degree of error.

[Miller0700]

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[SoulRiser]

There might be absolute truth. In fact there probably is. I just don't know what it is. But I kind of suspect it probably has something to do with unconditional love...