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I got this question WRONG?

In Science, I took a test on population. They asked "What would you do if the wolf population was too high for the deer population."

I said "Nothing, it's not our place to play God. Nature will fix itself naturally, and if not, then natural selection will take place. By controlling population, we're stopping natural selection almost completely."

I got it wrong. Because I had a different opinion, I got it fucking wrong. RAGE

(On a side note, I accidentally'd my Firefox. I was bored and wanted to see what would happen if I got rid of all the toolbars, and now I can't get them back. Uhoh )

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Dude, the answer is to play a recording of a deer mating call in the middle of a minefield and finish off the survivors with a minigun. Don't they teach you anything in that school?

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Rebelnerd Wrote:Dude, the answer is to play a recording of a deer mating call in the middle of a minefield and finish off the survivors with a minigun. Don't they teach you anything in that school?

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Oh, what was I thinking? Rolleyes

(But seriously, anyone have an answer to my Firefox problem? I don't even have my address bar. God I'm an idiot)

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What sort of answer would have been acceptable?

If I were the teacher, I'd probably have accepted the answer, but I don't think it's a particularly good one. For one, natural selection takes place regardless. Some of the animals won't live to reproduce, some of those who do will reproduce more than others. The offspring of those animals that do reproduce will inherit the traits of their parents. This is natural selection. As for playing God, keep in mind that human activity already affects other animals regardless of whether we do it intentionally. That said, neither wolves or deer are endangered, and the population levels will, in all likelihood, eventually level out by themselves.

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lol how did u do that lol
maybe you should delete the config file... I dunno lol
Reinstall? That probably won't work. Can you get to firefox properly on another account?
Go into Run (start->run or just type run if you have viztaz, which I'm pretty sure you do) and type firefox -safe-mode. That should do it, after you choose what to reset.

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I didn't say that it would completely stop it, but it seems like letting a species play with cheat codes. Even if that species shouldn't make it otherwise, we'd be keeping them alive. Plus, we could make it that a useful adaptation never takes place, because we're letting them play with OMFG HAXX, so it'll be harder for them to evolve as a species. Say the deer population decreases dramatically, the wolves would have no other choice but to learn how to live with less food. The ones who could survive on less, or blend in more, or run faster, or any of those traits, would survive, and pass on the genes. But if we kill them at random, we could be killing the ones with the good genes, (And the only thing to help them there is the blending trait, so I guess that could still evolve) and the bad genes could continue to reproduce. Same with killing the deer (though this makes more sense, since we can actually eat deer).

I mean, I'm no expert in Biology, so if there's a flaw somewhere in there, feel free to point it out.

Lunatic Wrote:lol how did u do that lol
maybe you should delete the config file... I dunno lol
Reinstall? That probably won't work. Can you get to firefox properly on another account?
Go into Run (start->run or just type run if you have viztaz, which I'm pretty sure you do) and type firefox -safe-mode. That should do it, after you choose what to reset.
I got it fix'd. Laugh I do stupid shit sometimes.

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With my help. <.<
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Raikuron Wrote:With my help. <.<
Not technically. As we both found separate answers at the same time.

Though he did valiantly an hero his own Firefox to better understand the problem. Laugh

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There I am, the great martyr. Yes
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You got it wrong because it wasn't the answer they were looking for. School is gay like that.
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Actually, you're answer would be correct so long as the question didn't involve 'because humans have been doing such and such'.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:I didn't say that it would completely stop it, but it seems like letting a species play with cheat codes. Even if that species shouldn't make it otherwise, we'd be keeping them alive. Plus, we could make it that a useful adaptation never takes place, because we're letting them play with OMFG HAXX, so it'll be harder for them to evolve as a species. Say the deer population decreases dramatically, the wolves would have no other choice but to learn how to live with less food. The ones who could survive on less, or blend in more, or run faster, or any of those traits, would survive, and pass on the genes. But if we kill them at random, we could be killing the ones with the good genes, (And the only thing to help them there is the blending trait, so I guess that could still evolve) and the bad genes could continue to reproduce. Same with killing the deer (though this makes more sense, since we can actually eat deer).
Yeah, that's why I said if I were the teacher I'd likely have accepted it.

Still, stuff like "it'll be harder for them to evolve" is sort of missing the point. Natural selection tends to increase the frequency of traits that give a reproductive advantage in a particular environment. If the food supply is unpredictable, the wolves will adapt to that over time. (If it were consistently low, the population would likely just stabilize at a lower level.) If people consistently hunted wolves, they might adapt to that too. Some traits would be selected for in either situation, some would only be selected for in one or the other. Point is, it only makes sense to say that good traits are selected for and bad traits are selected against if 'good' means 'giving a reproductive advantage in this environment' and 'bad' means the opposite.

And now I'm going to steal from Kirby because he's much more articulate than I am. =P

Quote:"Survival of the fittest" is a pointless phrase because "the fittest" are defined as those who survive.

(Honestly though, I'm pretty sure your teacher was just being an asshole.)

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Simple to answer and I don't know how could this be wrong, really. I mean, USA is basically teaching the children that messing with nature IS AWRIIIIIGHT. Yeah, sure thing but first find yourselves a new planet or show us one we may go to once everything goes extinct.
The true answer would be, that we should limit our own hunting for them, rather than wiping out another natural predator. Seriously, we don't even eat what we hunt these days, we don't need to hunt in the first place. (though if we didn't keep farm animals, we could go back to hunting and do nature a favor by being just a regular predator doing some natural selection. At least we wouldn't waste bullets and time on each other.)

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AWOL Wrote:Actually, you're answer would be correct so long as the question didn't involve 'because humans have been doing such and such'.

Just putting this out there. This is the first time I've seen someone mistake "you're" for "your". It's usually the other way around.
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chemistry hater Wrote:
AWOL Wrote:Actually, you're answer would be correct so long as the question didn't involve 'because humans have been doing such and such'.

Just putting this out there. This is the first time I've seen someone mistake "you're" for "your". It's usually the other way around.
I've done it a lot. Weird habit of mine.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:I didn't say that it would completely stop it, but it seems like letting a species play with cheat codes. Even if that species shouldn't make it otherwise, we'd be keeping them alive. Plus, we could make it that a useful adaptation never takes place, because we're letting them play with OMFG HAXX, so it'll be harder for them to evolve as a species. Say the deer population decreases dramatically, the wolves would have no other choice but to learn how to live with less food. The ones who could survive on less, or blend in more, or run faster, or any of those traits, would survive, and pass on the genes. But if we kill them at random, we could be killing the ones with the good genes, (And the only thing to help them there is the blending trait, so I guess that could still evolve) and the bad genes could continue to reproduce. Same with killing the deer (though this makes more sense, since we can actually eat deer).
Yeah, that's why I said if I were the teacher I'd likely have accepted it.

Still, stuff like "it'll be harder for them to evolve" is sort of missing the point. Natural selection tends to increase the frequency of traits that give a reproductive advantage in a particular environment. If the food supply is unpredictable, the wolves will adapt to that over time. (If it were consistently low, the population would likely just stabilize at a lower level.) If people consistently hunted wolves, they might adapt to that too. Some traits would be selected for in either situation, some would only be selected for in one or the other. Point is, it only makes sense to say that good traits are selected for and bad traits are selected against if 'good' means 'giving a reproductive advantage in this environment' and 'bad' means the opposite.

And now I'm going to steal from Kirby because he's much more articulate than I am. =P

Quote:"Survival of the fittest" is a pointless phrase because "the fittest" are defined as those who survive.

(Honestly though, I'm pretty sure your teacher was just being an asshole.)
I sort of see your point, though I still think it's disrupting things that ought not to be disrupted. Eventually, populations even themselves out.

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chemistry hater Wrote:
AWOL Wrote:Actually, you're answer would be correct so long as the question didn't involve 'because humans have been doing such and such'.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU- Sorry. I was busy at the time and wasn't paying attention to what I was typing.

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It's fine. I kinda feel like an asshole for posting in someone else's thread about something so irrelevant.

Ok, bye.
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chemistry hater Wrote:It's fine. I kinda feel like an asshole for posting in someone else's thread

I post in other peoples threads all the time. I'm such an ass.

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ha
Well you know what I meant. Like I'm intruding but not contributing.

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Honestly, I stop caring about the general direction of the thread after the second post or so. So it's no big deal.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:play a recording of a deer mating call in the middle of a minefield and finish off the survivors with a minigun.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:play a recording of a deer mating call in the middle of a minefield and finish off the survivors with a minigun.
How the fuck did I miss that?

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