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This is just WtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtf

if you can be tried as an adult,why don't you have the same rights as an adult? It's ESPECIALLY hypocritical because of "underage" drinking,sex,etc laws,school laws,etc

WILL (PROBABLY) UPDATE THIS THREAD LATER

their pee should hv been shot out like a ki blast breaking the rocks

oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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Wait you got into some shit?

Yeah it's fucking bullshit. The judicial system is just for profit these days. American justice system loves putting kids in jail. It's fucked up.

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REALLY,ONLY ONE FUCKING REPLY?

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I was thinking of how an everyday person would respond to this. They'd probably say something like, "Young people are more likely to ruin their lives(when drinking, having sex, or dropping out), than to make good choices with those freedoms," or something like, "Not killing is easier to mentally process than properly drinking, fucking, or working."
Or they'd mention the lack of a frontal lobe guaranteeing recklessness or something. But, if our brains were supposed to primarily do bad, then wouldn't we be described as just not knowing better (like younger kids), thus shouldn't be tried as adults?

So they know that reckless brain shit is false and we are capable of being responsible with freedom/ deciding to or not to wreck havoc with our lives and others, but are we not allowed to express that responsibility along with having the consequences of raping, murdering, etc?

Why the heck are the laws so inconsistent? We are adults who know not to harm others and can be jailed for doing so, but are also just children who can't possibly know how to drink (or do anything considered dangerous) safely?

We can mentally process not bringing danger to others, but apparently we can't process how to not danger ourselves?
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(I think I worded this too confusingly..
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I'm not gonna take any side here, but I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding when it comes to minors being tried as adults.

My source
Quote:In most states, a juvenile offender must be at least 16 to be eligible for waiver to adult court. But, in a number of states, minors as young as 13 could be subjected to a waiver petition. And a few states allow children of any age to be tried as adults for certain types of crimes, such as homicide. The current trend among states is to lower the minimum age of eligibility for waiver into adult court. This is due in part to public perception that juvenile crime is on the rise, and offenders are getting younger.
Factors that might lead a court to grant a waiver petition and transfer a juvenile case to adult court include:
-The juvenile is charged with a particularly serious offense.
-The juvenile has a lengthy juvenile record.
-The minor is older.
-Past rehabilitation efforts for the juvenile have been unsuccessful.
-Youth services would have to work with the juvenile offender for a long time.

Typically the minor is entitled to a hearing to decide if they should, in fact, be tried as an adult. However, some states require the case to transferred to adult court if the minor is at least 16 years old, and they're accused of a serious violent crime such as rape or murder.
Quote:Juveniles subject to an automatic transfer can still request a transfer hearing in juvenile court. During that hearing—called a reverse waiver or reverse transfer hearing—the juvenile (through an attorney) has the burden of convincing the judge to reverse the automatic transfer and allow the juvenile to be tried in juvenile court.

As for the pros and cons (same source)
Pros:
Quote:-Minors have the right to a jury trial in adult court (most states do not provide a right to a jury in juvenile court)
-Juries in adult court may be more sympathetic to a minor.
-In some jurisdictions where dockets and jails are crowded, the court may be inclined to dispose of the juvenile's case more quickly and impose a lighter sentence.

Cons:
Quote:-The juvenile is subject to more severe sentences, including life sentences. (According to the U.S. Supreme Court, though, a juvenile has to be beyond hope of rehabilitation in order to get a life-without-parole sentence.)
-Judges in adult court do not have the wide range of punishment and treatment options that are available to juvenile court judges—such as imposing a curfew or ordering counseling instead of jail time.
-The juvenile may have to serve time in adult jail or prison, rather than in juvenile detention centers.
-A conviction in adult criminal court carries more social stigma than a juvenile court judgment does.
-Adult criminal records are harder to seal than juvenile court records—sealing or "expunging" records makes them unavailable to the public. (To learn more about expunging juvenile records, see Nolo's article Sealing Juvenile Court Records).

Again, I'm not taking a side, just trying to educate and look at this objectively.

What we can gather from this is that a minor has to have committed a particularly heinous crime and typically they have to be 16, so damn near an adult already. When you're tried as an adult, you get the same rights an adult would have in court, however, you also risk getting the same consequences.

I agree that "underage" drinking and sex and whatever else laws are too strict. But I think this argument that it's possible to be tried in adult court, therefore these laws are hypocritical and we should have the same rights to be misguided. And i think it could be very counterproductive to the cause.

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(04-20-2017 07:04 AM)Night Wrote:  I agree that "underage" drinking and sex and whatever else laws are too strict. But I think this argument that it's possible to be tried in adult court, therefore these laws are hypocritical and we should have the same rights to be misguided.

How so?

their pee should hv been shot out like a ki blast breaking the rocks

oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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(04-20-2017 07:08 AM)The man Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 07:04 AM)Night Wrote:  I agree that "underage" drinking and sex and whatever else laws are too strict. But I think this argument that it's possible to be tried in adult court, therefore these laws are hypocritical and we should have the same rights to be misguided.

How so?

To be honest, I don't know how you don't see it's problematic...

Because there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be tried as an adult in the first place. It's not something that's handed out willy nilly to kids who have shoplifted or assaulted someone.

Why would you focus on the possibility of being tried as an adult for things like rape and murder as the argument that minors should have more rights and freedoms?

Look, I'm not saying it's not entirely hypocritical, there's still some element of hypocrisy. But I just don't get the point.

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(04-20-2017 07:08 AM)The man Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 07:04 AM)Night Wrote:  I agree that "underage" drinking and sex and whatever else laws are too strict. But I think this argument that it's possible to be tried in adult court, therefore these laws are hypocritical and we should have the same rights to be misguided.

How so?

A teen drunk driver can get 25 with an L with manslaughter charges, no shit.

Not to mention statutory rape laws as well.

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(04-19-2017 06:26 AM)The man Wrote:  This is just WtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtfWtf

if you can be tried as an adult,why don't you have the same rights as an adult? It's ESPECIALLY hypocritical because of "underage" drinking,sex,etc laws,school laws,etc

WILL (PROBABLY) UPDATE THIS THREAD LATER

I think that it's already fucked up to arrest minors while putting those restrictions in place. By now it's just fucking sad how crooked the judicial system is. They've been corrupt ever since they were given power! If this country continues like this, I'm going to flip the fuck out. And you've probably never seen those jails. They are some of the most vile places, especially with overcrowding.

I HATE my school. I'd rather die than go to school for another 6 years.Fu
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Fuck private prisons. Those shitholes are part of the reason minors get arrested.

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